The HORRENDOUS State of Housing

[Miminming]

wowowow, can you imagine how hard is it to actually do that programming wise!? the server for 6 lock up for EACH player... and they all need to read the customized garden and appearance... holy hell, SE even having a hard time adding glamour plate and you ask for that?

[cicatriz313]

I really hope SE realizes just adding more wards each time isn't going to fix the problem on NA servers. I'm hoping that ishgard restoration creates a ward of instanced housing for everyone which could allow people who just want houses to leave the neighborhood based housing to people who want a communal living style. So it in essence would have both types of houses in the game. Obviously their housing track record isn't the best so I'm not optimistic but I'm hoping.

As for making the house buying process a raffle, I think that would be both good and bad. It would free people up to enjoy the game and not spam placards, but I think at the same time some people prefer to keep trying the placard as it helps them feel like they're doing all they can, and taking that away could be wrong to some people. Kind of like fanfest ticket queues, in Japan they have a lottery and in the US they just have first come first served. Some people prefer the lottery and some people think first come first served will put the control more in their hands, so it's really just what do the Dev team agree with?

[EaMett]

It was not PVP but team work challenge and now, it's a lottery.

Almost as if you ignored all the valid points made up until now.

You can't stroll in and claim a mechanic isn't pvp because of either the number of participants or the enrolment into the system was low. That's not how it works.
If you design a system with a limited number of plots, where users can purchase a plot and lock other users out of it, where some plots are in favored locations and some in undesired locations. It's PVP. It doesn't matter if you have 5 million plots and two users. It doesn't matter if the plots go for 1 gil or 5 billion. It doesn't matter if you set the model to be team-based, first come first serve, or some variation of RNG.
Nobody would look at a leaderboard of players and say it isn't pvp because there are only two players when the leaderboard can accommodate for 50. It's just pvp with low adoption. Same with housing at the start.
Furthermore, a mechanic design doesn't magically shift from pve to pvp without any major rework. The fact it's pvp now is already a good indication it was pvp then. Not that this argument is even needed but lets just throw that on top for good measure.

As for the lottery comment, I've said it before and I'll say it again. The more time you spent placard clicking, the more likely you are to get a house. Period. That alone makes it different from a lottery. It doesn't matter if "Sasuke Weeb" came in at the last second and sniped your house with the power of luck, it doesn't matter if "Kistune Fox" has no arms and managed to get it with her feet and no skill. Effort is measured in time spent and upon ward release some skill. There is indeed a rng component that levels the playing field but it is not the main factor.

I'm not saying this to support the current system. I'm not saying this because I think people shouldn't argue the current system either. I'm just saying you should call a cat a cat. ESPECIALLY if your goal is to foster a conversation about changing a system the company has backed consistently for years now.

People also need to remember that at least 30% of players have access to a house in some form or another. That's a HUGE level of adoption when compared against other aspects of the game (ultimate is 5%, Eureka was something like 15% iirc, etc.).
If you're going to evangelize major changes you'll need to make an amazing case as to how SE can benefit from it more than leaving things as they are (various flavors of instanced housing for example). Because that 30% of the player base could hate the change as much as you hate the current system.
If you're aiming for minor tweaks you need to try and stick to the current flavor of the implementation (limited resource, rewards time spent with an RNG component so hardcore players don't completely lock out other players). Because that's clearly the model SE is backing at this point.

You could ignore that and just yolo your complaints. But people have been doing that for 6 years already and if you somehow think you're the chosen one about to lead your people into a new era of FF housing.. Well... I'm sorry, I wish you well but your prospects are looking grim.

PS: Used a pretty generic "you" for a good chunk of this post. Not targeting the quoted op specifically.

[Zeonx]

This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. I lost my house 4 months ago when I unsubbed. I recently began to dabble in apartments and honestly, they really aren't that bad especially once you start utilizing the glitches. I turned a small room into what seems to be a larger, loft-style apartment with multiple rooms. And I don't have to worry about losing it if I get bored and unsub.

The two issues I have with apartments are the size and the fact that you have to use glitches to place furniture on the lofts. I feel like the apartments should offer different sizes but instead of having players just outright buy the larger rooms, (because we all know there are douchebag players will buy up EVERYTHING just because) everyone should be given the opportunity to buy the smallest apartment at 500k gil and have the option to spend more to add to renovate it. Upgrade to a medium adds a loft for another 1M gil. The largest room would be 1.5-2M. Wanna add a garden to your balcony? 200k gil.

I also feel like players should only be allowed 1 room per character on that data center. That way people aren't just making alts to buy them.

Yep I agree and can expand the inside wouldn't have to worry about what the outside looks like.

[Zeonx]

Alts have rights too. They can't share a house so at the least they sure are welcome to buying apartments if they want to.

And relative to giving people their gil back and scrapping the housing system... I wouldn't hold your breath.

I don't think they should, if you own a house and a private house, I believe your alternate characters should also own the very same houses that's my opinion.

Though my 1st opinion is what I think should really happen I think they should scrap housing, if everyone keeps getting emergencies which will happen they are going to shut down the auto 45 demolish off every single time this happens and people are still paying for subscriptions waiting for a house to free up it's never going to happen as long as they keep it off and like I said a emergency happens.

At this point you gotta say well it's like not having a auto demolish and the only reason people are against getting rid of it, truthfully is they don't want to see a dip in their profits because they garden someone told me before in a party he owned a lot of houses to make the GIL and doesn't care if anyone else complains about him owning houses then said you snooze you lose.

I get they just want to corner the market and not others in on a crowded Auction house to me its a bit of a greedy statement but why would I care I didn't care about housing to begin with I settled for a apt.

Just wish they would stop pushing the housing now and focus on the apt's make the insides bigger and like I said add gardening inside you'll see people giving up houses for apt's and just maybe SE will decide to scrap this whole idea.

[MsQi]

Alts have rights too. They can't share a house so at the least they sure are welcome to buying apartments if they want to.

And relative to giving people their gil back and scrapping the housing system... I wouldn't hold your breath.

I think allowing players to make their own alts tenants in both houses and apartments would be great. I would say make it automatic, but there is the RP factor where some people feel their characters wouldn't share things.

Can each character currently have an apartment? What about an FC rooms?

[LaylaTsarra]

I think allowing players to make their own alts tenants in both houses and apartments would be great. I would say make it automatic, but there is the RP factor where some people feel their characters wouldn't share things.

Can each character currently have an apartment? What about an FC rooms?

Multi home owners at least many of them would have been happy to have one house to share. Alts can't even teleport to a mains house without jumping through hoops given you can't use friend teleport or use any of the features at the house when there. The only way to share a house with an alt at the moment is to create a small FC where they can all share it and it's features. It was mentioned they were looking at it back around 4.2 (sharing a house and friending alts) and they talked about different size apartments too Sadly nothing since then.

And yes each character (alt) can purchase an apartment and a FC room. You're only allowed one FC house and one private per account per server at the moment.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don't think they should, if you own a house and a private house, I believe your alternate characters should also own the very same houses that's my opinion.

I totally agree. Why is it my friends can share a house and my own alts can't? Makes no sense really. Many took advantage of buying homes for alts back when it was permitted because of that.

Just wish they would stop pushing the housing now and focus on the apt's make the insides bigger and like I said add gardening inside you'll see people giving up houses for apt's and just maybe SE will decide to scrap this whole idea.

I think that would make many people happy and would reduce the demand significantly for private houses. Sure many want to garden but there are many who simply want to decorate and could care less about gardening. Gardening for whatever reason seems to be something they appear to not be able to do with apartments but I'm not a developer. The issue of workshops is another issue and personally I think coupling those to GC would be something they need to do just like squads are a part of a GC assets.

[MsQi]

Multi home owners at least many of them would have been happy to have one house to share. Alts can't even teleport to a mains house without jumping through hoops given you can't use friend teleport or use any of the features at the house when there. The only way to share a house with an alt at the moment is to create a small FC where they can all share it and it's features. It was mentioned they were looking at it back around 4.2 (sharing a house and friending alts) and they talked about different size apartments too Sadly nothing since then.

And yes each character (alt) can purchase an apartment and a FC room. You're only allowed one FC house and one private per account per server at the moment.

That's kinda how thought it was, just don't have alts with enough money to test it. Maybe they have someone working on the bigger apartments. It's not uncommon for feature to take a few expacs to be implemented in mmos.

[EtherRose]

It already is RNG based AND ping based. This idea is perfect, find 1 problem with it and I'll shoot it down.

No. Just because you aren't able to log-on at certain times due to work, etc. or log-on quick enough does not make it RNG. The idea you are portraying IS an actual implementation of RNG.