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    Couldn't they just have removed Redraw?

    Hello!

    I was wondering... They have changed the old card system because they didn't like how players were fishing for Balance. And yes, it was an issue. But instead of removing the fishing for it, they just made every card Balance.

    I don't know if it would even work, but if they had kept the old system, just tweaked it a bit, but removed Redraw, wouldn't that have been a better solution than changing what people actually liked?

    I mean, they even could have changed Balance to something else and kept Divination as direct DPS buff, so you would still have "Balance" at fixed intervals for raid buffs. But other than that, you would have to use whichever card you get. If you got something you didn't want you could still use Minor Arcana on it (they could have tweaked its effect too because Lady was useless in some situations) or Royal Road.

    What I would like to know though is if it would even work like this. Or would there be another problem I'm not thinking of?

    (There are already an endless number on threads about AST cards, I know. But we can't have enough of them if only very few people like the new system.)
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    AST players whined too much that their card game involved some element of luck of the draw and that seems to be the main thing SQEX is responding to as far as I can tell.
    I'm not sure the ASTs of last expansion would have enjoyed having less ways to manipulate their deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    AST players whined too much that their card game involved some element of luck of the draw and that seems to be the main thing SQEX is responding to as far as I can tell.
    I'm not sure the ASTs of last expansion would have enjoyed having less ways to manipulate their deck.
    Unfortunately, now you fish for Seals to get three different ones. Nothing has really changed in terms of that. Some of the people who defend the new system with the argument of RNG was mitigated is mistaken. The RNG is still there—it’s just moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Unfortunately, now you fish for Seals to get three different ones. Nothing has really changed in terms of that. Some of the people who defend the new system with the argument of RNG was mitigated is mistaken. The RNG is still there—it’s just moved.
    But it is mitigated.

    Mitigated doesn't mean it's not there, it means you're not screwed for three spires in a row.
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    Yeah at least now, every card you draw is a gain. Having niche cards that you could only draw at random didn't make much sense. Balance was good 100% of time, Spear and Arrow were usually acceptable. The others were made nearly useless because you had to rely on luck to get them when you needed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    But it is mitigated.

    Mitigated doesn't mean it's not there, it means you're not screwed for three spires in a row.
    Except now it’s very possible to get three sun seals in a row when you need a crescent moon. So I don’t see much difference there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Except now it’s very possible to get three sun seals in a row when you need a crescent moon. So I don’t see much difference there.
    This is what bothers me. We are still fishing. And we have less choices than before. (Royal Road, Spread, Lord/Lady, Redraw compared to just Redraw and Lord/Lady) AND the Lore is now all screwed up. They didn't accomplish their goals they set out on for the rework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    But it is mitigated.

    Mitigated doesn't mean it's not there, it means you're not screwed for three spires in a row.
    unless you are the healer in a 4 man dungeon with two melees lol. Undraw is a skill they should have removed since there is no longer a timer to Play a card. Quite literally useless and is not even on my crossbar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Unfortunately, now you fish for Seals to get three different ones. Nothing has really changed in terms of that. Some of the people who defend the new system with the argument of RNG was mitigated is mistaken. The RNG is still there—it’s just moved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    But it is mitigated.

    Mitigated doesn't mean it's not there, it means you're not screwed for three spires in a row.
    This is not a direct response to you two but I'm using it as an example for a reminder, because it seems like a lot of people forgot something about the old system.
    Back in 4.0, upon redrawing, the next card would automatically be different from the one you were holding.

    Just that.
    We lost it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Back in 4.0, upon redrawing, the next card would automatically be different from the one you were holding.

    Just that.
    We lost it.
    Redraw still works like that though? It still draws a different arcanum and the tooltip says the same thing. :o
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