Dead from Plot hunting and I ask YOU a Question

[Vyrerus]

Retainer Twenty owns 50 houses and 400 exploratory vehicles? *blinks hard and visions blurs* That doesn't seem shady at all.

[RareItems]

Add more wards, instanced housing or put a waiting list where you can deposit your gil to an NPC and that NPC will buy the house for you when it's your turn and send you a message in the mail when you finally bought a house.

[xxvaynxx]

Retainer Twenty owns 50 houses and 400 exploratory vehicles? *blinks hard and visions blurs* That doesn't seem shady at all.

Tbh.
I'm actually surprised he's actually contributing something to the thread and not being a meme because they usual are in housing threads.
I still think they're a massive D**k for having their sig showing all the houses they have though, knowing full well how much people want one.
No better than the people that go on PF saying they got a house right after the new housing plots have been added.

So its quite ironic him of all people posted that detailed post on housing woes.

[Yshtola]

Yes, how ironic for someone, who has owned hundreds of houses, to know so much about housing.

[Veloran]

Your arguments make no sense. One second you're saying to wait for the devaluation timer or you're entitled, the next you're saying the timer doesn't work anyway because people just insta-buy without bothering to wait for it. Guess what, upping housing prices isn't going to stop insta-buying, it just ensures that only the richer players will do it. Again, upping the barrier to entry doesn't erase demand, the number of players that can't get a house would only increase. Sure you know a lot about housing, but clearly it's from an incredibly skewed perspective if you're going to go around saying that 20M for a SMALL is something that's actually reasonable for the market and playerbase.

[Reinha]

This random timer did stop players from buying up houses just to make a profit, but people botting on a placard is not equal opportunity nor is it healthy to camp there for the honest players.

A raffle would cause a lot of people to never get a house and have zero ways to contribute their time and effort to having a better chance at getting one. That's not fair either. Why should some lazy player get a house over someone who is more determined and willing to put in the work? No, I'm not a fan of that.

It really is a damn joke that small houses only cost 3-4 million when so many people are out there looking for one. Higher prices are the only solution which would work for everyone. If you want a house, make more money and that's it. Anyone playing the game can make gil. It's fair.

[Vyrerus]

Yes, how ironic for someone, who has owned hundreds of houses, to know so much about housing.

Yo, Olive Oil, sorry your friends left pre-Stormblood. That sucks

If you ever got the time, or your friends depart for elsehwere make an alt on Excalibur. I got a friend who's ambitious, maybe you could teach him a thing or two.

[Yshtola]

Your arguments make no sense. One second you're saying to wait for the devaluation timer or you're entitled, the next you're saying the timer doesn't work anyway because people just insta-buy without bothering to wait for it. Guess what, upping housing prices isn't going to stop insta-buying, it just ensures that only the richer players will do it. Again, upping the barrier to entry doesn't erase demand, the number of players that can't get a house would only increase. Sure you know a lot about housing, but clearly it's from an incredibly skewed perspective if you're going to go around saying that 20M for a SMALL is something that's actually reasonable for the market and playerbase.

Once again, you cannot even come up with a proper reply. Let's just pretend you simply misunderstood instead of acting like your back is against the wall. The devaluation timer, as it is right now, is not effective. Why? Because you have 40 players with enough gil to purchase a small plot on certain servers. So yes, thank you for yet again proving me right.

What I am presenting is a way to prevent those 40 players from trying to purchase the same plot as soon as it is available. Would it get rid of people camping for half a day? Probably not all of them... for some time that is. Definitely not if auto-demo remains off, but I have good faith that once the wealthier players no longer compete against each others, you could finally see the devaluation shed off a couple millions until it reaches the minimum value.

Is it clear now or are you truly incapable of comprehending that the reason why players, like you, feel so entitled to being able to purchase a small house is due to the ridiculously low prices? 20m is nothing in this day and age and a, theoretical, fully devalued plot at 10m would still be very easy to obtain for any player who's even remotely determined to get one.

You have players dropping, at the very least, 350m for just the ability to relocate to a Mist 5/35 or a Shirogane 30/60. LB 11/41 is easily sold/bought for 150m on certain servers.

This random timer did stop players from buying up houses just to make a profit, but people botting on a placard is not equal opportunity nor is it healthy to camp there for the honest players.

It really is a damn joke that small houses only cost 3-4 million when so many people are out there looking for one. Higher prices are the only solution which would work for everyone. If you want a house, make more money and that's it. Anyone playing the game can make gil. It's fair.

I wouldn't say it stopped. If anything, players are just selling relocations and FCs are the defacto option for players interested in reselling plots.

I'm glad someone else understands that there is value in working towards a goal instead of kicking and screaming on a video game forum.

Yo, Olive Oil, sorry your friends left pre-Stormblood. That sucks

If you ever got the time, or your friends depart for elsehwere make an alt on Excalibur. I got a friend who's ambitious, maybe you could teach him a thing or two.

New phone, who dis?

Eh life happens. Thanks for the invitation, but just like Dido, I will go down with this ship (Gilgamesh).

[Veloran]

What I am presenting is a way to prevent those 40 players from trying to purchase the same plot as soon as it is available.

And once again, all this is would do, at best, is partially stifle a symptom, while actually worsening the underlying cause. People stalk plots so much, particularly on certain servers, exactly because there is a shortage of plots to go around. Increasing prices simply puts more buying power in the hands of people with more gil, meaning those with less gil have an even more reduced chance at getting a plot. On many servers practically every district has every plot already taken, meaning a gil increase will just leave the market even more lopsided and inaccessible. This fantasyland you're talking about where suddenly plots open up and timers are able to count down because the property is now even MORE valuable is never going to happen, in fact it's precisely the opposite. Not to mention, as a method of combating RMT? This would literally drive RMT through the roof, because nobody who doesn't already have the cash to throw away is going to grind up 20, 15, or even 10M gil just for a small, instead they'd just buy the gil instead.

I also think you drastically overestimate just how much gil most players have, as well as the overlap between the gil-making community and the lifestyle/RP community. The sorts of people who want to spend their time decorating a house to look like a coffeehouse or sauna and the sorts of people who love to play the marketboard all day probably do not share a large intersection on a Venn diagram. Hell, if the devs just created house-independent gardening, many people would drop their houses outright.

Is it clear now or are you truly incapable of comprehending that the reason why players, like you, feel so entitled to being able to purchase a small house is due to the ridiculously low prices? 20m is nothing in this day and age and a, theoretical, fully devalued plot at 10m would still be very easy to obtain for any player who's even remotely determined to get one.

Sorry, but someone who owns almost fifty houses and a fleet of airships and submersibles complaining about how "entitled" someone is for wanting to be able to purchase even just one small is nothing but laughable.

[Yshtola]

And once again, all this is would do, at best, is partially stifle a symptom, while actually worsening the underlying cause. People stalk plots so much, particularly on certain servers, exactly because there is a shortage of plots to go around. Increasing prices simply puts more buying power in the hands of people with more gil, meaning those with less gil have an even more reduced chance at getting a plot. On many servers practically every district has every plot already taken, meaning a gil increase will just leave the market even more lopsided and inaccessible. This fantasyland you're talking about where suddenly plots open up and timers are able to count down because the property is now even MORE valuable is never going to happen, in fact it's precisely the opposite. Not to mention, as a method of combating RMT? This would literally drive RMT through the roof, because nobody who doesn't already have the cash to throw away is going to grind up 20, 15, or even 10M gil just for a small, instead they'd just buy the gil instead.

Here's a very simple tip, save your gil. That's what people used to do. Fantasyland? That's how things worked around here and even the most casual FCs could obtain a house. You clearly missed the part about how RMT thrives when things are so easy to obtain, just as it does when things are on the opposite end. There's a sweet spot and small houses for 3 to 3.5m is definitely not in that sweet spot in the current situation where you have eastern cherry trees being sold for 8m.

You want to pull out the old rmt boogeyman card, at least try to make it look like you know what you are talking about. Pegasus mounts, leve kits, gear, minions, emotes, etc. There are so many items that are being traded in the 8 digits, but I don't see you talking about how those items are driving RMT through the roof. Checkmate.

I also think you drastically overestimate just how much gil most players have, as well as the overlap between the gil-making community and the lifestyle/RP community. The sorts of people who want to spend their time decorating a house to look like a coffeehouse or sauna and the sorts of people who love to play the marketboard all day probably do not share a large intersection on a Venn diagram. Hell, if the devs just created house-independent gardening, many people would drop their houses outright.

That's great and all, but that's all anecdotal. I would have asked you to prove what you're saying, but we both know you can't do that. Maybe one day you'll get to take a glance at the underbelly. Until then, you can keep believing the two classes of players you just described don't mingle with each other.

Sorry, but someone who owns almost fifty houses and a fleet of airships and submersibles complaining about how "entitled" someone is for wanting to be able to purchase even just one small is nothing but laughable.

What am I complaining about exactly? I'm pointing out that you're the very reason why you can't even own a house. You want 200 submarines for yourself or your FC? You better have a couple of gil capped retainers. That's the difference between you and me. I'm willing to put in the effort in order to obtain something while you're here whining and complaining about how difficult it is to obtain 20m. Catch up.