Ideas to reduce DF disagreements

[ForteNightshade]

If Trusts have shown us anything. People aren't going to use a system like this, especially those who are looking to be carried. There's literally zero reason to do less than medium pulls in 71+ dungeons because the Trust system exists. So if you want to take it slow, they're the perfect option. And yet, you still see plenty of people who won't use them. Why? They're too slow.

That being said, I think the system still has merit since kicking people who lie to get in would eventually discourage it. Alas, the devs would never implement something like this as they've outright said they want better players to "pick up the slack" for inexperienced ones.

[AdamFyi]

And this shows exactly the problem. Even when raidfinder was used a bit, people didn't use it as intended. They'd join final phase practice or clear parties with no experience.

Mhm. It works on an honour system where you expect everyone to be truthful, but generally isn’t ever the case which is its biggest flaw.

You've always got the option to check the other box and play in a manner that more heavily favors a respect of yours and other players time.

Pretty much. It’s hard to tell how much of an impact it‘d actually cause on queue times. We don’t have the statistics for that. I think the devs want to avoid implementing this kind of system because it sounds more like a punishment rather than an incentive. Players who want quick queues but aren’t up to par would probably go for the option that has a larger player pool instead of waiting with the longer queue. Might cause an increases in players getting kicked from dungeons (for difference in playstyle) which isn’t something the devs would take to kindly.

Maybe instead, the selection would be differentiated between “Expert play” and “Casual play”? It isn’t the best solution, but at the least players have a rough idea of what kind of run they’d be looking for. Players are more receptive to positive feedback rather than negative ones i.e. feeling pressured to click the “faster” option because everyone else is doing it. Reminded me of another game that lets you “avoid” certain players. Eventually some players got avoided by thousands upon thousands of players that it took several hours just for their one queue to pop to the point where the devs had to remove the system entirely.

[DrWho2010]

It's never a good idea to segregate based on playstyle. one mode or the other will end up being known as the queue that never pops so everyone will just default to the one that works and then you've just wasted dev time creating modes that never pop.

[Roda]

My opinion may be unpopular, but honestly, harder mandatory solo content with fail conditions.

Until the game itself cares that people learn to play the game at a skill level just above "being totally afk" we really aren't going to see an avereage improvement to the playerbase's average skill level.

Another thing that would help and maybe not kill the dps meter requests, but at least slow them down, is to have a personal ranking screen at the end of an instance like wildstar



No one could see anyone's rank but theirs. There isn't enough context for you to have to link it to any parties you're looking to join. But it gave you enough information to say "huh, I'm a dps class ranked x+1 for dps when there are only x dps in the party, I guess I need to see what I'm doing wrong"
(Also if you haven't played wildstar, that screenshot is a gd feat of strength and the group that achieved it should be honored and feared.)

[Vahlnir]

It's never a good idea to segregate based on playstyle. one mode or the other will end up being known as the queue that never pops so everyone will just default to the one that works and then you've just wasted dev time creating modes that never pop.

The player base does that by itself anyway, tbh. Between party finder listings (the ones that aren't trap parties), statics and the various "playstyle differences" that happen through the DF we sort ourselves out as needed.

[Silica-chan]

If Trusts have shown us anything. People aren't going to use a system like this, especially those who are looking to be carried. There's literally zero reason to do less than medium pulls in 71+ dungeons because the Trust system exists. So if you want to take it slow, they're the perfect option. And yet, you still see plenty of people who won't use them. Why? They're too slow.

I'd argue that you need to level them up to run the dungeons with them (except on your inital unlock of the dungeon in the MSQ) is keeping alot of people away from using them even after the exp gain buff. I love using them for Glamour farm thugh because with them *all the loot are belong to me*

[Ririta]

If Trusts have shown us anything. People aren't going to use a system like this, especially those who are looking to be carried. There's literally zero reason to do less than medium pulls in 71+ dungeons because the Trust system exists. So if you want to take it slow, they're the perfect option. And yet, you still see plenty of people who won't use them. Why? They're too slow.

That being said, I think the system still has merit since kicking people who lie to get in would eventually discourage it. Alas, the devs would never implement something like this as they've outright said they want better players to "pick up the slack" for inexperienced ones.

If trusts have shown us anything is that people play MMOs to play with other players and not NPCs... I mean, I don't care for either side of this discussion but come on

[Laesha]

All i can think of is that no one would ever pick C, so they'd all just end up in B, which would then bleed into A, and everything would be very much the same as it is now.

[ItMe]

Honestly...
I just want a setting I can toggle so if I run as a DPS with, say, aiming gear, I don't get into a ground with another aiming job.
When I'm trying to farm a gear drop from The Grand Cosmos, it finally drops, and the other NIN gets it... I'm ready to cry.
Let DPS into 4 man's in comps where they don't compete when rolling NEED on gear.
That's all I want.

[Jennah]

The only roulette I could see this being reasonable for is Levelling Roulette, and maybe 50/60/70. If someone wants to 'take it slow' at level-cap content, then the nicest thing I can say is that "they are wrong".

The game could use some incentive for people at 80 to run the levelling roulette (or for anyone to run the 567); so there's that too. Maybe even a bonus if they agree to go with people not so sure of themselves? /shrug