let me join the garlean empire

[CrispyUnicycle]

i want to purge the eorzean filth with my very own rocket hammer

ill change my name to built garlean tough

ill even ditch my grand company



just let me destroy all cat boys

[MirronTulaxia]

Somewhat ironic to be playing a cat complaining about other cats. But more on topic playing villains is generally a no-no in FF. FF frowns upon people who want to commit genocide and such.

[Shougun]

Somewhat ironic to be playing a cat complaining about other cats. But more on topic playing villains is generally a no-no in FF. FF frowns upon people who want to commit genocide and such.

Not that I'm suggesting they do it now but I could see a way to have being a Garlean and not being a 'villain'. Like different branches of government that don't agree with each other, you're trying to stabilize within but also the issues others levy against you are usually biased perspectives in some matters. With a need for ideological differences naturally, to help lean on differences. Like I might imagine a sort of Persian lens for Garleans back in their grand days- while the other side (us) would be the Greeks.

Obviously black rose on innocents is uh... really bad.. so you /couldn't/ let players do that and be "I'M NoT a BaD GuY" but pretty much in every government ever there are different agendas and people serving them. Picking a more torn government could produce logical results to this split. Also noting that I don't think it would be fair to say every Garlean wants to or perhaps even is aware of genocide as we see it.

Again not saying they should just out of no where add a faction system, but I think if they had done it from the start. Even with many of the same story points we have now, that you could have people on the Garlean side.

I think most fascinating would be having actual propaganda on each side, such that both sides see each other as evil and the truth being somewhere in-between but not readily or even eventually 'confirmed' in game. Just truly have both sides think they're both the ones in the wrong lol.

Entirely different stories based on which side you're on, some of it being purely fabricated. For example we go back to that black rose, saying we couldn't let players use black rose on innocents because that's just REALLY bad; however, if the Garleans attacked a military base that they had news was going to strike their merchant city, them attacking with an experimental but painless weapon meant to make war smoother, our side might be able to spin that to our players as chemical nefarious warfare upon innocents, and might even place some manipulated evidence to make it even worse all to fire up our side in the war effort. Add some extra deviousness to the mess by adding some of these events to both sides such that both players experience the event in entirely different perspectives, if possible making the truth still there rather than shifting the story to make it impossible to tell and of course making sure not only one side is always wrong in their perspective (so both players feel their story is the truth but little bits of riddles and clues can be found if you looked carefully that might unsettle your belief, or even red herrings).

Since I believe a faction mechanic would benefit a lot from an intelligent alt system under one account, I think this would also add a lot of mystery to the game (of course you could ignore one side, like some in WoW do, but you'd not have to, and there would clearly be some encouragement as the game weaves a very complicated human narrative via an alt system that makes doing it flow and be convenient and rewarding). Not that I think a game has to set out to do this but I also think people really need to practice perspective sometimes, internet providing too many places where you're not challenged on a preconception.. clearly this environment would offer many opportunities to be challenged.

[TeraRamis]

The problem with the Garleans is that they are arguably the most incompetent Empire or Empire-proxy in the history of Final Fantasy (and there are some pretty low bars out there, let's be honest. I mean, good grief - the Shinra Corporation essentially devolves into comic relief once you get out of Midgar, and they're still way more capable than these guys are). So while I like the notion of breaking with the Scions; with the three kingdoms; even with Hydaelyn - whom I am convinced is no less evil than Zodiark - these guys probably aren't a team I want to sign up for.

I would also be in favor of eliminating all catboys, however. I am convinced that the only way you get more Miqo'te are to breed the girls with Hyur males - the cat boys being too metrosexual to do anything but stand in the middle of Ul'dah and pose while whining in shout.

[LalafellDown]

Would be a nice alternate reality scenario.

[Enkidoh]

As Mirron said, it will never happen because that is not what FF games are about, you never play as the 'antagonist', and empires are consistantly the "bad guys" in FF games (FFXI's Aht Urhgan Empire being probably the most benign, and even that is less 'empire' and more just a 'kingdom with delusions of granduer'). It was made clear from even before FFXIV 1.0's release from SE's own wording that the Garlean Empire were the villians and were there to be basically hate sinks. Any sympathetic Garleans inevitably end up working with us anyway or at least cut their ties with the Imperial government.

And about their apparent incompetence, that is by design, as Emet set them up deliberately to be that way as it was his modus operandi - find the most oppressed, put down society or person, intergrate himself into them by possessing a lowly member of that society, provide them with miraculous solutions to their problems, build up their power base until he inevitably ends up leading them, then unleashes them on an unsuspecting world, crushing all opposition and resistance, inevitably resulting in people fighting back. And just when the nation is at the peak of their power, at the pinnacle of their strength and prestige .. oops, he just hapepns to disappear, sending the nation into decline just when they need him as their enemies are howling for their blood at their gates. And the resulting chaos then just happens to cause a Calamity... inevitably resulting in the nation's complete destruction and collapse. And history repeats itself.

Emet specifically set up the Empire to eventually fall in ushering in a Calamity. He had no interest in creating a long-term pax Garlea, they were just tools in the greater Ascian plan and to be discarded like every other "half-dozen nations with Imperial ambitions" he admited he had a hand in creating as well in the past. So they were always doomed.

Of course, with Emet now gone, it remains to be seen how the Empire can change the course of it's destiny, but with Varis dead and Zenos hell-bent on his "hunt" with no interest whatsoever at leading the nation, a new dawn for Garlemald of peace, liberty and stability seems as far away as ever.

[ItMe]

^^^^
That is good.
If anyone scrolled past that hop back and read it.

[Jennah]

As if the story isn't moving towards putting Gaius or Maxima in charge, and us being honorary Garleans, in the same sense that we're honorary Ishgardians, Ala Mhigans, Domans, and Crystariumians.

[MirronTulaxia]

As if the story isn't moving towards putting Gaius or Maxima in charge, and us being honorary Garleans, in the same sense that we're honorary Ishgardians, Ala Mhigans, Domans, and Crystariumians.

I wouldn’t call that the Garlean Empire then though. It’s like saying Alexandria under Garnet is the same as it is under Brahne. And that was a much simpler takeover than anything else. If you’re siding with rebels (which is what Gaius at least is) then you’re not the empire.

Which is more or less my answer to Shougun too.

[CrispyUnicycle]

as an addendum, id like to destroy all cats, not just catboys
you all should join me in the empire

my first change im gonna make under garlean rule is create more market boards and place them around the world, even in the middle of nowhere

and we offer free food that’s pretty good and very rich in nutrients
we also have a nintendo switch and we play mario party every friday