Is it time to remove dots from the game?

[Mansion]

I think we are fine as we are now, DoT wise for most DPS jobs. I prefer jobs with a proper DoT interaction (Bard, Black Mage and Summoner somehow)or integrated in the normal rotation (Dragoon) than a "push here to DoT" like Ninja.

I'm bored with healer DoTs though. I don't think they are interesting, no interaction whatsoever, there are just a weaving window one every 30seconds (and AST / SCH don't really need it). But rather than makeing them go away, I'd prefer having some real motivation to use them in a gameplay perspective.

[lolicon09]

Please no, let's not make things even more braindead.

Considering how things have been, It won't be a surprice if they do it

[RyuSaarva]

God no, I'm actually annoyed the removed the sheer amount of DoTs they already have, I like the satisfaction of multiple DoTs ticking on a target, but then they removed a bunch of them for no real reason and most jobs feel worse because of it, hell look at Scholar, you used to be able to spread 3 separate DoTs onto multiple adjacent targets, now we can't and it sucks. DPS used to have more DoTs than they do now, like Touch of Death, Mutilate, Phlebotomize, Aero III, Lead Shot, Scourge, all fine buttons, removed.

I'm actually sad this game doesn't have any dedicated DoT jobs anymore, SMN used to have to manage a whole bunch of them, now the max everyone has is 2, but most just get 1, if they get any at all.

If you remove DoTs, might as well remove positionals, while you are at it, remove combos, because fuck it, the jobs are too easy as they are, might as well make them worse.

They are trying to make summoner feel like a summoner instead of being a poison mage with a pet pokemon, next expansion they will propably make all summon abilities automatic to make more space for new skills.

[Deslyxic]

BLM could do without the dot, it's just boring and disjointed with the rest of rotation.

[Roda]

They are trying to make summoner feel like a summoner instead of being a poison mage with a pet pokemon, next expansion they will propably make all summon abilities automatic to make more space for new skills.

Great just what i wanted, more summons to be summoned on a timer instead of me having to work to bring them out and manage D;
Who needs to put effort into summoning? just have them come as they come so I can just passively sit through the fight and have my character not do anything except not stand in the bad. So what if we're removing an established niche in the game that some people may like?
/s

(SMN dots are fine, Ruin is fine, pet management is fine and an mmo staple. SMN still feels like a summoner (despite the removal of skill with summoning demi summons and putting them on a timer). SMNs in other final fantasies always had a secondary job to summoning, and I sure as hell don't want them to replace my dots and direct damage abilities with white magic like in other games)

[Ultimatecalibur]

God no, I'm actually annoyed the removed the sheer amount of DoTs they already have, I like the satisfaction of multiple DoTs ticking on a target, but then they removed a bunch of them for no real reason and most jobs feel worse because of it, hell look at Scholar, you used to be able to spread 3 separate DoTs onto multiple adjacent targets, now we can't and it sucks. DPS used to have more DoTs than they do now, like Touch of Death, Mutilate, Phlebotomize, Aero III, Lead Shot, Scourge, all fine buttons, removed.

They removed them for a very good reason: During HW (and even as early as ARR) the shear number of DoTs and debuffs applied at one time by characters participating in 24-man Raids, A-rank/S-rank hunts, and Daidem often exceeded the maximum number of visible debuffs and occasionally exceeded the maximum number of appliable debuffs on a target. Players could not tell if their DoTs/Debuff were up which caused sever losses in dps.

So the great DoT purge of Stormblood had a very good reason behind it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

With very few exceptions dots in ----shadowlands--.

Is this a joke or a meme or something? We are talking about FFXIV here right, not WoW?

WoWs newest Expansion is called Shadowlands
FFXIVs newest Expansion is called "Shadowbringers"

[Roda]

They removed them for a very good reason: During HW (and even as early as ARR) the shear number of DoTs and debuffs applied at one time by characters participating in 24-man Raids, A-rank/S-rank hunts, and Daidem often exceeded the maximum number of visible debuffs and occasionally exceeded the maximum number of appliable debuffs on a target. Players could not tell if their DoTs/Debuff were up which caused sever losses in dps.

So the great DoT purge of Stormblood had a very good reason behind it.

That's an issue with UI design not class design.

[Morningstar1337]

That's an issue with UI design not class design.

I think there was also the matter of the same number of debuffs crowing out the bosses' own buffs, like say, Cloud of Darkness' invincibility.

Course I might be misremebering it as said invincibility, IIRC took the form of Stoneskin buffs and like meant there was a damage threshold that must be exceeded before the cloud can be damaged.

[ItMe]

They removed them for a very good reason: During HW (and even as early as ARR) the shear number of DoTs and debuffs applied at one time by characters participating in 24-man Raids, A-rank/S-rank hunts, and Daidem often exceeded the maximum number of visible debuffs and occasionally exceeded the maximum number of appliable debuffs on a target. Players could not tell if their DoTs/Debuff were up which caused sever losses in dps.

So the great DoT purge of Stormblood had a very good reason behind it.

I think there was also the matter of the same number of debuffs crowing out the bosses' own buffs, like say, Cloud of Darkness' invincibility.

Course I might be misremebering it as said invincibility, IIRC took the form of Stoneskin buffs and like meant there was a damage threshold that must be exceeded before the cloud can be damaged.

Umm...
You know that you can go into the settings and TURN OFF other players dots and debuffs, right?
You can set it to only display yours and the enemys.