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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Most dots (Save SMN) are just a single DoT at this point so I say yes.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Morningstar1337's Avatar
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    Aurora Aura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Most dots (Save SMN) are just a single DoT at this point so I say yes.
    BRD has two dots too you know,and conversely SMN has Tri-disaster which is the same effect as having a single dot most of the time (then again there is Titan and Garuda's puddles)
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    That doesn't actually prevent the issue with the debuff cap FYI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    That didn't actually do anything (as that option is a client side culling) when the server was not sending you the info on your debuffs/dots. The server only sent out the info on about 48 buffs/debuffs/dots per target (to save on memory use/packet size) while only tracking up to about 100.
    Huh... I didn't know that.
    Thanks for the information
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Huh... I didn't know that.
    Thanks for the information
    It's a lot less likely to happen, to be fair. I only ran into it recently because I happened to catch a hunt train and tried to DoT the hunt. For most jobs it's a non-issue, but I feel bad for any SMN/BRD that gets caught in that.
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    I agree some dots are just skill fodder (looking at you Sonic Break) but I disagree to remove all of them. SMN and BRD are dot management most notable BRD since I can’t imagine then reworking jobs to remove features.
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    Nova Wildstar
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    Arcanist Lv 94
    I like DoTs for SMN, because over the years I decided to invent my own classifiers, and I call BLM "Energy Mages"... and SMN are "ENTROPY Mages".

    The DoTs from a SMN, look to the Uneducated, like disease... but they're really the SMN employing Entropy to slowly and painfully "Un-do" their foes by accelerating specific, local Entropy.

    And of course SCH heal by reversing Entropy.

    (Just headcanon, I know)

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    The pets are a nuisance, really, but hey.
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    Britha Rhosyn
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    Reaper Lv 90
    No but I do want Aero III back. :P
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    Player RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Samurai Lv 90
    IMO DoT's are fine in game in general. However essentially having every job possess atleast 1 DoT ability is overusing the mechanic. I feel like a number of the 1 off DoT's possessed by most DPS jobs could go away as they kind of just feel like a filler unless its built into an actual debuff that applies another effect along with it. Perfect examples of this type of debuff are seen in FFXI with Dia and Bio. Dia caused DoT but also weakened enemy defense. Bio caused DoT and also weakened enemy attack.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Sage Lv 92
    Removing DoTs would require a third rework for BRD, as DoTs are very heavily tied to its Repertoire mechanic that was added in the Stormblood rework. Can we please avoid that? Hasn’t that job been changed drastically enough? Besides, the job is already super basic as it is. What bit of complexity it had last expansion was removed this expansion; so I’d rather not see the DoTs go, too.

    I’d rather healers get a second DoT back, too. I miss Aero III on WHM so much. It gave me more to do than Dia every 30 seconds and then spam Glare until my eyes cross. Because Hydaelyn knows you aren’t doing much in terms of healing.
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    Owa Owa
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    Odin
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Why do people insist on asking to play jobs in the most basic iterations imaginable?
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