Do you have any faith in the Nier plot?

[ItMe]

Based on the reddit summary, I suspect it'll just be Nier dropped into FFXIV which is quite disappointing. I prefer when they incorporate the 24 mans story into the actual world ala Crystal Tower. But Copied Factory itself was fun at least.

The crystal tower was something established in the games history and directly involved with one of the previous calamities.
The Nier thing is a fun crossover.
Not sure that's a terribly fair comparison, but that's not to say Nier can't have a place in the lore. I mean, Nier lore isn't build into the foundations of FF14 lore, are you asking they blend it into things moving forward?
Because if so it's kinda too early to complain lol.

[Stepjam]

I mean we've barely gotten into the plot, but its been one tier.

If tier 2 is as plot lite, sure I'll be worried, but it seems like tier 1 is just putting all the pieces in position before tier 2 really gets going

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

I think with the reputation Yoko Taro has with his storytelling, a lot of people were expecting to immediately be blown away and get "the feels" during the first raid. People need to remind themselves that with Automata, the first NieR, hell, even the Drakengard games, you never get those beats on the first playthrough. It's not until you get to route B in Nier or go through 9S' playthrough in Automata, that things really start to piece together. As of right now, we're technically on the "A route" of the NieR raid. When it was said the second raid would be more "NieR-like," I'm assuming that will be the "B route." Who knows what happens on the last raid. Will it be the"Route C?" It's still too early to tell

[Stepjam]

Also I think people need to temper their expectations. We may get some dark stuff, but a lot of the F-d up stuff nier and drakengard are known for take advantage of having an M rating, while XIV is just a T rating.

I do expect at least one of the dwarves to die though

[StriderShinryu]

I think with the reputation Yoko Taro has with his storytelling, a lot of people were expecting to immediately be blown away and get "the feels" during the first raid. People need to remind themselves that with Automata, the first NieR, hell, even the Drakengard games, you never get those beats on the first playthrough. It's not until you get to route B in Nier or go through 9S' playthrough in Automata, that things really start to piece together. As of right now, we're technically on the "A route" of the NieR raid. When it was said the second raid would be more "NieR-like," I'm assuming that will be the "B route." Who knows what happens on the last raid. Will it be the"Route C?" It's still too early to tell

To be fair, though, if you know Nier Automata at all and didn't raise an eyebrow when 9S was revealed as the final boss of the first raid or didn't choke up a bit when you found the room full of "2B" corpses in the post raid quest I'm not sure what to say. Sure we haven't got a lot of meat so far but the appetizers we have been given are better than a lot of people seem to be giving the story so far credit for.

I can see being perturbed about it not tying deeply enough into FF14 (yet?) but if you come at it purely from a Nier sequel perspective, I would say we've definitely been given some things to chew on.

[Valic]

I am honestly really enjoying the plot so far and have faith in it regardless. I love they're breaking the mold a bit and giving leniency to the universe of FF for a change.

[Gula]

I played the DRK quest line, but don't quite remember it to be depressing...? Maybe its in the eye of the beholder.

Shards, as far as we know are just different versions of the original planet split into 14 different versions. Right now, its not confirmed if Hydaelyn split the whole universe or just one planet... but I tend to think its the latter, as we've yet to see any multiples of alien entities (like Omega or the dragons) on other shards.

In Nier its kind of implied that each parallel ending is its own reality, and given that there is no explanation provided (as far as I know of?) I think of it as a proper multiverse (Automata ending D & E I think supports the theory?).

Calamities are... weird. They are set to be global disasters, many as world ending events, yet sentient life recovered 7 times already. The 7th was little more than a mild discomfort on the global scale. It's the reason why I still have my doubts about the message behind the Exarch and the 8th Calamity being bad enough to time travel instead of recover.

Nier on the other hand went balls deep with

the one EK class event they had. Took a good thousand years for the last human to die, but they did, and only the broken remains of their creations lived on in a miserable cycle for a good 9000 years just before Automata. Optimism is in very short supply and usually measured in low, personal doses.

Nier revels in its depressing nihilism / existentialism / absurdism. People still argue which.

I love both franchises and stories, but the message and tone is quite different I think, and I'm not sure they mix particularly well.

For Calamity recovery. Those took hundreds of years. It wasn't just 10 years without power then someone turned on a lightbulb. It has been 10k years since the Sundering, and in those 10,000 years, we have had 7 and sort of 8 calamities. The scope of Drakengard, to which I still believe, fits.

Here is the DoD timeline which includes NieR, if you have not seen it. If you have, I give this to the people following this thread that have no idea what I'm talking about.

Edit: and here's XIV's timeline

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...y_XIV_timeline

[Lersayil]

For Calamity recovery. Those took hundreds of years. It wasn't just 10 years without power then someone turned on a lightbulb. It has been 10k years since the Sundering, and in those 10,000 years, we have had 7 and sort of 8 calamities. The scope of Drakengard, to which I still believe, fits.

Here is the DoD timeline which includes NieR, if you have not seen it. If you have, I give this to the people following this thread that have no idea what I'm talking about.

Edit: and here's XIV's timeline

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...y_XIV_timeline

I mean, yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. The Source, in roughly the same time frame as Nier went through 6.5 world ending disasters and recovered globally from each one before the next. The Nier timeline is (post Drakengard switch) a singular global disaster and its aftermath of roughly 9000 years.

And the planet / humanity never really recovered in that time... hell, we could argue that the world is worse off with each game we finish. It took a thousand years after Drakengard ending E for humanity to completely die out. By the end of Gestalt / Replicant even the hope of revival is gone. Non-organic life evolved somewhat in a twisted way, but after the end of Automata there are only a few groups of non-bunker androids and some disconnected machines left. At best a glimmer of hope for non-organic sapient life, at worst just stragglers on a ruined world, since the Bunker had the only means of android production.

A pretty pessimistic world view in contrast to FF14, where we tirelessly work for a brighter future, and for the better part succeed.

...and now I have to dig up my ps2 as I probably won't make it till Replicant ver.1.22474487139 comes out.

[RyuDragnier]

It's Yoko Taro, his stories always start off meh, but start get interesting as it slowly reaches the halfway point. It's after that when things get really good. Nier: Automata started off pretty meh too, and got better as it got rolling.

[Driavna]

I'm not familiar with Nier or Yoko Taro. So far for me is a little bit jarring and meh, but I enjoyed the pair of rascals so far at least.