Increase Difficulty of Dungeons

[Puremallace]

and ofc the best way to do this is by making every job the same and easier \o/. oh w8

People always complain about something until it is gone. Other MMO's out there are so far out of the reservation when it comes to class design you can barely recognize or understand how to even play classes anymore. I'll take FF14 design decisions ANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYday over some of the other options out there.

[Talking_Citrus]

In that case, what makes you think anyone is interested in your opinion on the subject?
Don't post anything if you aren't interested in getting replies to your post.

He doesn't care what You have to say. He's providing feedback for anyone from SE scouring the forums looking for it. It also has the potential of starting a conversation amongst other players, which is the point of a public forum, he doesn't have to be intimately involved or interested in anyone else's opinion.

As for the dungeons being "difficult for those at the right gear threshold and who don't know the mechanics" is a non-argument when you consider that most of the time you get matched with at least a few endgame characters just grinding duty roulette. The point of scaling characters down is specifically to keep the content relevant, and a dungeon that you can spam one skill while watching Netflix isn't relevant. It's a question of balance and the downscaling has always been horrible as far as balance goes. Even if it were largely due to new skills, you can account for those by lowering the ilvl cap in proportion to each job's new power curve without influencing people running the dungeon for the first time.

I know a lot of people just want to turn their brains off and get the shiny loot which I don't understand but that's their prerogative and I can't blame any company for accommodating the majority of the player base but it wouldn't be hard to jack the numbers up a bit on down-scaling and make it its own queue for people who actually want to play the game.

Your points were too absurd not to address, even if I had to add a new job to the game. Everyone welcome... The Necromancer :P

Edit: Fixing typos

[Puremallace]

You have to remember a few things. When you queue in that instance most of the people are wearing gear multiple ilvls higher then that dungeon. So if it were scaled around ilvl 70 then someone who is 80 queuen might be in 490ilvl gear.

The dungeon is supposed to auto adjust that gear and abilities to ilvl 70 but that is not always a smooth process so you go in a nuke the instance especially with a very geared tank and healer. Any healer in gear that is actually lvl 41 for Stone Vigil would not be able to keep up with the healing demand.

There is also hard modes for Stone Vigil that I never see anyone chain pull.

[Aelio]

Any healer in gear that is actually lvl 41 for Stone Vigil would not be able to keep up with the healing demand.

That's what I thought too but the healer was leveling and only in around level 35 gear. Another reason I was surprised we were clearing everything as quickly as we were.

So if it were scaled around ilvl 70 then someone who is 80 queuen might be in 490ilvl gear.

Isn't level 70 ilvl around 400?

I have to admit I did just run Aurum Vale and it was more challenging than expected given the tank had good gear. Sometimes the scaling does seem better and you can have fun and feel engaged but that Stone Vigil run really surprised me.

[Puremallace]

Main Scenario quest are a good example where the ilvl is supposed to be adjusted by bosses just get nuked. The ability sets are different also. This is just my best guess as to why it got pulled so quickly. That tank was probably geared and that healer was sweating lol

[Leareaux]

Old dungeons are geared for older ability kits. New jobs and updated kits are usually scaled for end-level content. RDM is a prime example of potency being broken at early level.

[DrWho2010]

public forums are not echo chambers! helloooo. helllooooo helllooooo helloooooooo

[MistakeNot]

Hello,

Can we please increase the difficulty of dungeons? And perhaps the game as a whole?

Why? If you want a challenge there is Savage/Ultimate - that's what they are there for.
The majority of the game is not intended to be truly challenging.

Many of the dungeons will feel trivial when
a) Everybody in the group knows the dungeon
b) Everybody in the group has good gear and knows have to play their classes/jobs.

Try running the same dungeon with a bunch of newbies who have never seen the dungeon before and who have just good enough gear to enter the dungeon. I think you will find that the dungeons are far from trivial for such a group - and the dungeons are tuned such that this kind of group will still have a chance of getting through them.

[ItMe]

2) there is not at least one single complex job per role for people to have fun . everything is accessible but a person wanting a job that isnt patronising him and handholding him , because they are already experienced and simply want something a cut above in challenge , isnt an unreasonable request to have.

Because people said "why would I play NIN? It's more work for, at best, around the same outcome." And then SE had to change it.

[HeulGDarian]

Because people said "why would I play NIN? It's more work for, at best, around the same outcome." And then SE had to change it.

Well they should have increased the outcome. especially since now i see NINs saying the job is now boring to them cause most of the time you 1 2 3. I really hope SE picks up on this and we dont see another ACCESSIBILITY changes next expansion.


"looks at 5.3 translation" "we made BA more accessible by introducing an easy mode"

FUCK