"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Lucy_Pyre]

The Blackest Night is a mitigation action. Thats literally all it does.

Incorrect. TBN is a shield that consumes the same resource that the DRK uses for Edge/Flood of Shadow. At the same time, when properly used (i.e. when it breaks) it grants a Dark Arts proc which allows the DRK to use a single Edge/Flood of Shadow with no mana cost. This makes a properly used TBN a DPS-neutral ability. However, when used incorrectly (i.e. when it doesn't break) it is a DPS loss because you lose out on a cast of Edge/Flood; a direct loss of 500p (or 300p x number of enemies). Unfortunately for you, damage is king in XIV. This means that you don't get to just say that TBN is 'always' correctly used so long as it mitigates damage, and that's simply not how the skill is designed in the first place. Please learn how to properly make use of the job's toolkit before commenting on it.

[Barraind]

This is stunning. I have never read a response that could be more wrong.

The Blackest Night is a mitigation action. Thats literally all it does. If it mitigates any damage, it is not used incorrectly.

Found one. Didnt take long at all.

[HyoMinPark]

I dont even know how you people can come up with this type of nonsense.

Honestly, this is what I thought when I read your OP and every rebuttal you’ve made. The fact that you lack so much self-awareness that you continue to insist you aren’t exaggerating the majority of your statements is baffling.

[Daniolaut]

the devs have never given us anything else to try for.

I have some ideas for you.

How about better consistency.
Higher clear rates for the community.
Smoother, easier runs.


I remember in 2.0, people doing auto attacks to build limit break 3, so they could break Titans heart, because we brought 3 healers into the party, to ensure we would win more often.

Sure it was a little less exciting at the start, but the clear rates were much higher on a party by party basis, than groups not use that strategy.

But... I guess thats just trolling and being toxic. So. Me and others are clearly just horrible horrible people.

[Gula]

Shucks. All the pages of complaining from the last thread will have to be repeated in this one because mods couldn't handle the flood of reports due to (and my point still stands from the last one) everyone being on the same page of:

[SaitoHikari]

Shucks. All the pages of complaining from the last thread will have to be repeated in this one because mods couldn't handle the flood of reports due to (and my point still stands from the last one) everyone being on the same page of:

I was surprised when I came back and couldn't find the 50+ page thread. Aside from the arguments, the premise of the thread itself was actually good.

It's depressing how a couple of trolls could get an entire thread nuked just by starting an argument that veers too close into too damn personal territory.

[Goji1639]

That other thread got deleted, eh? I could probably guess who it was that went running to the mods, but no matter.

It's kind of weird how the most casual of the mainstream MMO's has the community that gets the most bent up over casual play. I mean, in most content groups never wipe, so I guess if you want to complain your only option is to get angry when a dungeon that could potentially take 15 minutes ends up taking 20.

[Veis_Alveare]

That other thread got deleted, eh? I could probably guess who it was that went running to the mods, but no matter.

It's kind of weird how the most casual of the mainstream MMO's has the community that gets the most bent up over casual play. I mean, in most content groups never wipe, so I guess if you want to complain your only option is to get angry when a dungeon that could potentially take 15 minutes ends up taking 20.

Look at this absolute hero complaining about not being able to run in pedantic circles in another thread here.

Its okay buddy, I'm sure you're full of plenty more wrong opinions that we will get to laugh at and poke tons of holes in - just give it time!

Oh.

Oh, you're literally already here doing the same thing.

No one cares specifically about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes, people care about other players not respecting their time. It shouldn't need to take 5 more minutes but some players want to play as ice mage or songless bards or RP pacifist healers and here we are.

The casuals (who behave in such ways, not all of them obviously) need to reign it in. If you want a game where you just press random buttons and win go find one that doesn't also inconvenience a bunch of other people in the process.

[Goji1639]

Look at this absolute hero complaining about not being able to run in pedantic circles in another thread here.

Its okay buddy, I'm sure you're full of plenty more wrong opinions that we will get to laugh at and poke tons of holes in - just give it time!

Oh.

Oh, you're literally already here doing the same thing.

No one cares specifically about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes, people care about other players not respecting their time. It shouldn't need to take 5 more minutes but some players want to play as ice mage or songless bards or RP pacifist healers and here we are.

The casuals (who behave in such ways, not all of them obviously) need to reign it in. If you want a game where you just press random buttons and win go find one that doesn't also inconvenience a bunch of other people in the process.

"No one cares about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes; they just care that dungeons are taking 5 more minutes becuz respect my time!" Songless Bards; damageless healers; it doesn't make a real difference. 5 minutes is nothing; you waste more time whining and picking fights about it than you would by just finishing the damn run.

So you're mad because you think they're not respecting your time; not because these things are an ACTUAL problem. People are getting through roulettes just fine; EASILY even, despite the fact that some people coast through them. If you take this content THAT seriously then stop running it with randoms. The only minor waste of time that annoys me in roulettes is when people like you hold the group up by picking a fight with someone who isn't trying hard enough for you. Unless we're actually struggling keep the backseat driving to yourself and let the run proceed.

[Kamome-chan]

"No one cares about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes; they just care that dungeons are taking 5 more minutes becuz respect my time!" Songless Bards; damageless healers; it doesn't make a real difference. 5 minutes is nothing; you waste more time whining and picking fights about it than you would by just finishing the damn run.

So you're mad because you think they're not respecting your time; not because these things are an ACTUAL problem. People are getting through roulettes just fine; EASILY even, despite the fact that some people coast through them. If you take this content THAT seriously then stop running it with randoms. The only minor waste of time that annoys me in roulettes is when people like you hold the group up by picking a fight with someone who isn't trying hard enough for you. Unless we're actually struggling keep the backseat driving to yourself and let the run proceed.

You're the one coming up with the 5 minutes thing in the first place. Nobody cares about spending more time in dungeons it's the reason why we have to that matter.

If I'm in Prae with fresh 50 with job quest gear I won't complain about Prae taking longer but If it's because some are afk I won't stand idly by.