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    Chisato Nishikigi
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    From Thancred's Modish Attire page:
    "Note
    This set of attire is designed for male characters."

    And if you check any of the pieces:
    "Fits: All ♂"

    You are the one who decided to buy those ítems after being told about it's restrictions
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    Last edited by lolicon09; 07-16-2020 at 12:19 PM.

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    XIV is behind other MMOs in how they handle gear and costumes. With the other games I play (XI, AA, GW2), gear will automatically just change based on whatever gender your character is. No need to buy two separate versions. It's quite nice, XIV should give that a go.

    As far as a customer service standpoint, I've gotta say I was spoiled by how BDO handles their cash shop purchases. You can contact them within a few days with just about all shop purchases, and they will refund you, no questions asked. You can try on outfits, wear them for a day, decide you hate it, and get a refund. It was completely unexpected when I played, but it was SO nice. XIV should also give that a shot. :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    XIV is behind other MMOs in how they handle gear and costumes. With the other games I play (XI, AA, GW2), gear will automatically just change based on whatever gender your character is. No need to buy two separate versions. It's quite nice, XIV should give that a go.
    A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.
    In addition to that, a shared auto-switching outfit can only have one icon attached to it.

    See for example the Endless Summer set with the men's shirt and shorts icons attached to the gear even if you're a female character wearing the frilly top and bikini bottoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was originally posting this with Mogstation purchases in mind.

    Most in-game gear does change like you mentioned, but there are still several sets of clothing on the MB that have a male/female variant as well (swimsuits, Quaintrelle/Boulevardier, Thavnairian shirt/dress, Ramie Tabard/Dhalmelskin Coat, Gryphonskin Breastguard/Uraeus Body armor, High House Bustle/High House Justaucorps). I'm missing a few in there, but I think you get the idea. It just seems rather archaic to me that SE intentionally designed a male/female variant for those sets, but instead of simply just letting people buy one item and having it change appearance based on their current gender, you have to buy both if you happen to switch at any point.

    And I am not saying that Y'shtola should turn into Thancred, that was only the OP. They obviously are very different characters, with very different outfits. If they're going to release a specific NPC's outfit, why not design an outfit based on that for both male and female right from the start? Or if they want to take shortcuts, just simply unlock the exact outfit as-is for everyone and stretch it to fit. The latter option tends to make some gear look really bad on the non-intended gender, but hey, at least everyone then gets the option if they want it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    In addition to that, a shared auto-switching outfit can only have one icon attached to it.

    See for example the Endless Summer set with the men's shirt and shorts icons attached to the gear even if you're a female character wearing the frilly top and bikini bottoms.
    This is only how SE has chosen to implement that. But if SE gave you the option to buy an outfit only once that would work for both male & female instead of having to buy both, would you honestly turn up your nose at that option because the icon will show only one version of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    This is only how SE has chosen to implement that. But if SE gave you the option to buy an outfit only once that would work for both male & female instead of having to buy both, would you honestly turn up your nose at that option because the icon will show only one version of it?
    I'm not saying I would, just that it's a logical reason why they might want to create two separate items instead of one gender-dependent one.

    The fact that they don't let you trade between them is a different kettle of fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolicon09 View Post
    From Thancred's Modish Attire page:
    "Note
    This set of attire is designed for male characters."

    And if you check any of the pieces:
    "Fits: All ♂"

    You are the one who decided to buy those ítems after being told about it's restrictions
    Not trying to be snappish at you, but the player bought the items as a male character, then gender swapped. They are hoping to be able to continue enjoying previous purchases as a new gender. No mistakes made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Not trying to be snappish at you, but the player bought the items as a male character, then gender swapped. They are hoping to be able to continue enjoying previous purchases as a new gender. No mistakes made.
    Correction, they bought an outfit and now want a separate outfit instead. They still have that purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Correction, they bought an outfit and now want a separate outfit instead. They still have that purchase.
    I was under the impression they wanted to use the same outfit and that they mistakenly thought that Yshtola //was// the fem version of Thancred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    I was under the impression they wanted to use the same outfit and that they mistakenly thought that Yshtola //was// the fem version of Thancred.
    Thancred and Y'shtola modish attire are like their own little bundle styled after that speciific character, each including a hairstyle.
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