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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Well my favourite ARR and beyond job is RDM... so it plays exactly like it did on day one of SB.

    My favourite job before that was BLM which all the way back in 1.0 played more like it does in FFXI where you picked the best damaging spell for the situation. The astral fire and umbral ice rotation where you switched between burn and recovery phases didn't exist. And before even that, BLM was the Conjurer class and the supreme solo-er. (yes I know it is the advanced job of the THM, I'm talking from before they added jobs.) They had all the elemental nukes, heals, and buffs which made them a one-lala AoE wrecking crew.
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    "Huh, that's interesting. How did BLM play before Enochian? I'm having a hard time imagining it without it.
    Also, what healers do you like?"

    Principal was basically the same. Cast fire spells till you're out of MP then blizzard into your umbral phase and throw out a thunder while your MP regens but the rotation was simpler. Still had firestarter and thundercloud but you couldn't force a proc like you can now.

    I'm liking AST since the post expansion changes that were made. I find WHM to be really bland in comparison but that's also because it's been my main for 3 expansions and I'm bored of it. Don't like the way SCH plays at all in ShB.
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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Huh, that's interesting. How did BLM play before Enochian? I'm having a hard time imagining it without it.
    Also, what healers do you like?
    Pretty much exactly like they do now at level 50. Fire 3 - Fire 1 spam until oom - Blizzard 3 - Thunder 3 - Blizzard 1 if needed to fill mp still - Repeat. It was the simplest dps job in 2.0 by far.
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    Rei Makato
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei View Post
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    I feel this hard we have almost the same story, after hw I was salty about the drk changes so I moved onto WAR and really enjoyed it until 4.2 when the IR change happened, so I U-Turned back to drk which at this point had seen adjustment + I had a cooler head so I actually saw the fun in the new design and as you said got into gcd manipulation going into alphascape for some big returns. Then 5.0 BAM WE HEAR YOU LIKE IR SO IMMA PUT IT ON DRK.

    I feel you on the feeling lost with classes thing too, every one of my favourite jobs playstyle has been patched out the game at this point, and I can just about enjoy GNB for tanking, but I can't get along with anything else anymore quite as much as I used to. Its weird to say, but theres not really any jank anymore in class designs, not like bad jank like monk anatman jank, but sorta janky playstlyes like guass barrel mch and dark arts drk or tornado kick rotation where its jank in the way that its different and takes some getting used to cos it doesnt behave like anything else and is a bit counter intuitive. But I suppose this is just the direction the games going in at this point. I kinda hope they stop removing different playstyles from the game going forward somehow, almost like different "specs" for the job, but the balance team is pushed enough as it is I guess.
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  5. #35
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    ItMe's Avatar
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm glad DRK is in a better spot now thanks to the changes for ShB, but man do I miss HW DRK.
    Man, I didn't realize so many role actions came from DRK.
    And it had a dot too? Sounds like they hit a bullseye with that design right on release.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
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    Ooh, a compact kit, I getcha.
    And honestly, I'm really hankering for a chill class right now.
    I thought I'd try BLM because it's got pretty low actions per minute, but it's hitting different.
    I wish I could have tried the old SMN.
    And thanks for sharing your stories. It was really fun to read the impact SMN/SCH had on the meta.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    WHM. It didnt used to have this pointless lily system.
    Which was your favorite iteration of WHM?


    Quote Originally Posted by HeulGDarian View Post
    im pretty sure i could get good and it would be fun to play blm but im dedicated to smn because its my first job but also cause the lore of summoning or to be more specific arcanima is also extremely good
    Hey, I feel that. SMN was my first class too.
    Have fun~


    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    Otherwise I love the rotation that they've come up with for summoner's many pets. It works, and really only needs minor tweaks in my opinion. I love it so much it quickly became my new main.
    I'm with you there. Making the pets a GCD feels so much better. I personally hope they continue to expand our relationship with the egi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Well my favourite ARR and beyond job is RDM... so it plays exactly like it did on day one of SB.
    My favourite job before that was BLM which all the way back in 1.0 played more like it does in FFXI
    Has RDM really changed so little?
    Dang, they must have really found a good groove for that class~
    Glad to hear they're preserving everything you love about it.
    Wait, BLM had heals way back then? Huh... that sort of puts into perspective for me why some want them to give BLM a resurrection spell.


    Quote Originally Posted by KRIPTICON View Post
    Principal was basically the same. Cast fire spells till you're out of MP then blizzard into your umbral phase and throw out a thunder while your MP regens but the rotation was simpler. Still had firestarter and thundercloud but you couldn't force a proc like you can now.

    I'm liking AST since the post expansion changes that were made. I find WHM to be really bland in comparison but that's also because it's been my main for 3 expansions and I'm bored of it. Don't like the way SCH plays at all in ShB.
    BLM's rotation was simpler before you could force procs?
    Man, that's not something I would have expected at all.
    Which ShB changes do you think helped AST the most?
    Honestly, I love it, but I'm too bad of a healer to play it. I just eat through all my MP and we wipe


    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Pretty much exactly like they do now at level 50. Fire 3 - Fire 1 spam until oom - Blizzard 3 - Thunder 3 - Blizzard 1 if needed to fill mp still - Repeat. It was the simplest dps job in 2.0 by far.
    Hahaha and look at it now. Man things have changed.
    I don't know about you, but I find that while it's not hard to play BLM, it's pretty challenging to play it well.


    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I feel this hard we have almost the same story, after hw I was salty about the drk changes so I moved onto WAR and really enjoyed it until 4.2 when the IR change happened, so I U-Turned back to drk which at this point had seen adjustment + I had a cooler head so I actually saw the fun in the new design and as you said got into gcd manipulation going into alphascape for some big returns. Then 5.0 BAM WE HEAR YOU LIKE IR SO IMMA PUT IT ON DRK.
    By that summation I gather the wheel is about to turn again and DRK will be back in your courts in 6.0.
    Good luck~
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