When someone tries to ruin the Market board...

[MirronTulaxia]

Haha... She likes to keep imitation windows to herself, god forbid if anyone makes windows and lists them below hers she will make 15 more and drop the price like nuts. She doesn't care about the money, she cares about keeping that item in her control.

And? You can let the price drop or move on. But you do still have options there.

[Jojoya]

Small Imitation Window

Why are we getting bent out of shape over the listing price of an item that costs 1882 gil in vendor purchased materials plus 6 shards to make?

[Vahlnir]

Things are fairly slow at the moment, at least on my server. I will list a ton of items and then let them sit for a day or 2. If they haven't sold by then...well, time for some bargain prices. I will cut the prices in half or more which usually gets them to sell. Gotta get that space cleared for more stuff. Doesn't seem to be working a whole lot at the moment though, but I know we're in a bit of a lull.

[Hoshi-Shouri]

Most of the items, most items that make money or used to for sure. I always try to make items she isn't selling but then few days later suddenly everything I am selling she is selling too and much lower price. She usually has windows and other certain items for sale so I try to not touch her territory but surely she doesn't care about others. She has already made it clear it's just to annoy people, no matter if she can make money or not herself.

I know exactly who you are talking about on our server, and it is definitely out of spite what they do. I have also tried to find items with little or no listings, come back later and they have listed an entire retainer's worth at 1/12 of the price. It costs more to craft the items they sell, than the price they sell things at.

I noticed this person so often, that I actually started remembering their retainer's names, and counted at one point, and they have something like over 30 retainers.

[Taebok]

Between the MB listings all being under 50k.
Crafting now being "Hit muscle memory once to make everything".
And being able to get pretty much every housing item for free through the firmament.
The economy has been pretty much destroyed.
I just stick to housing skins and rare items now, anything else simply isn't worth the effort.

[Penthea]

I know exactly who you are talking about on our server, and it is definitely out of spite what they do. I have also tried to find items with little or no listings, come back later and they have listed an entire retainer's worth at 1/12 of the price. It costs more to craft the items they sell, than the price they sell things at.

I noticed this person so often, that I actually started remembering their retainer's names, and counted at one point, and they have something like over 30 retainers.

I'm quite on the fence about this because...people can list stuff for any price they want. However I have a suggestion...try to sell things they don't sell? There is no way they can be selling EVERYTHING.

[kaynide]

Here again, we have a demonstration of people not understanding Opportunity Cost; time is the ultimate cost even if you gather everything yourself. The time that you spent gathering stuff yourself could have been used to do something more profitable.

To the OP, diversify the products you sell and try to sell across the DC. Undercutting doesn't matter as much when you sell diverse products across the DC.

Depending on the item, self gathering can absolutely be the way to go, especially if your doing bleeding-edge content (like treasure maps).

Once you are at a node, the actual harvesting of mats is negligible. In my case if I want to self craft, I will always farm enough for 2-5 items with intent to sell the other 1-4.

If you are so worried about opportunity costs, you should never have leveled crafting or gathering in the first place since you would be better rewarded just farming and selling bleeding edge crafting mats, or flipping the market.

Point being, if straight gil is the goal, crafting is probably about the dumbest thing you could be doing.

[Jennah]

Easy solution - buy all his stuff and try to resell it.

Not because you'll make a profit. Because you'll soon have a massive inventory of items that won't sell, and then you'll see things from the 'ruiners' perspective.

[rance-sama]

[Hoshi-Shouri]

That gif about sums it up xD

I'm quite on the fence about this because...people can list stuff for any price they want. However I have a suggestion...try to sell things they don't sell? There is no way they can be selling EVERYTHING.

If it's crafted by a carpenter, alchemist, weaver, armorer, goldsmith they probably have it listed. Rugs, plants, windows, furnishings, minions, lighting, they have 20 of items listed, from 2k - 30k. They've even tanked the price on items only crafted with fc ship voyage mats almost immediately. Buying their 'cheap and good' items to relist isn't an option because they would immediately make more and sell them for practically nothing.

And they definitely have a personal vendetta against anyone who tries to compete with them. I've also tried your solution of selling things they don't sell: I had a random mat from desynthing the other day, searched what things it crafted, made the fat cat clock because there was only ONE on the mb (not crafted by this person) thinking it would be a quick sell... the next day this person had 20 listed for half the price. lol They are a menace.

It's mostly just frustrating because there's really nothing anyone can do about it.

And you're right, they can list any price they want, but they are literally undercutting themselves with each of their listings, with prices going from 30k to 2k, and them only undercutting their own retainers in doing that. Where's the logic in that? Why spend your time gathering and crafting this stuff, constantly pumping it out in such a way you can't possibly be making any meaningful profit? Especially if they don't even need/want the gil, it seems like an even more confusing way to operate. If they aren't using bots, what they do must take a lot of time, so.. why bother? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯