Next healer class released should be

[SomeRandomHuman]

Honestly I'd be interested in something that makes use of a theme like spirit animals or something similar. It would be a healer that focuses on managing AoE style buffs/heals. For example: the user marks an ally and they each radiate a healing AoE around them and things of that nature.

It would end up being effects that you rotate through constantly like bard songs while the core kit is left bare bones in terms of healing. Bare bones as in just the basic necessities of a standard heal, raise, etc. Then the rest is focused on buffs/debuffs and sprinkles of dps.

[Seraphor]

I'd rather Chemist didn't just copy NIN mudras.
I also see every other Chemist concept using mudras to bestow buffs like AST as well, and I wouldn't want that either.
People already complain that healers are homogenised.

No, use the mixing concept for their core healer kit, so that it can't be compared to WHM, or any of the existing healers.

OGCD abilities you weave to grant your core healing skill additional effects, +potency +regen and +shield.
More details in the topic in my sig.

Edit: why is my sig not working?
Here it is: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/416487

[Seraphor]

Your approach is strictly gameplay based
But you can't make FFXIV jobs without lore, how would you pass a chemist as a DoM job from Garlemald by Garleans (who don't use magic)?
If Chemist gets added it'll have to be a DoW. I don't see how they can get around the lore.

MCH is a Garlean-adapted job.
Garleans use the technology to convert Ceruleum into magically-augmented shots.
The WoL uses the same technology with their own aether instead of Ceruleum.

GNB is the same.

Chemist would be no different.
Instead of Ceruleum you use your own aether, thus it's a DoM.

[BasicBlake]

Eh, from what I gather Garlemald the country, not the colonies are of pureblood Garleans only. What's the purpose of a Garlemald themed expansion when the job is by some random race that isn't Garlean? It's like being taught the ninja job by a lalafel that lives in Ishgard.

A class started in Garlemald but adapted for the warfront for people who can manipulate aether? It’s not like a class was started and then didn’t evolve ever, especially when the whole theme of Garlemald is “adapt and overcome”.

Being taught ninja from a lalafell in Ishgard is not the same as being taught how to “Medic” from a high performing medic who defected from the Garlean army.

From a story standpoint that works fantastically, using their own class against them.

[Amnmaat]

MCH is a Garlean-adapted job.
Garleans use the technology to convert Ceruleum into magically-augmented shots.
The WoL uses the same technology with their own aether instead of Ceruleum.

GNB is the same.

Chemist would be no different.
Instead of Ceruleum you use your own aether, thus it's a DoM.

That's the point I made, mch and gnb are DoW.
Just because Mch uses aether-imbued ammo didn't make them into DoM.

Magic require casting, when you're mixing liquids together as a chemist that's not casting. You would have to create a brand new job that uses the chemist concept but call it something else;

This would be casting


FFXIV could use more fantasy, less modernity anyway.
Make the weapon a couldron you carry on your back.

[Seraphor]

That's the point I made, mch and gnb are DoW.
Just because Mch uses aether-imbued ammo didn't make them into DoM.

Magic require casting, when you're mixing liquids together as a chemist that's not casting. You would have to create a brand new job that uses the chemist concept but call it something else;

This would be casting


FFXIV could use more fantasy, less modernity anyway.
Make the weapon a couldron you carry on your back.

PLD and DRK cast spells, NIN has ninjutsu and SAM even has cast times. Are they DoM?

RDM has melee attacks, is that a DoW?

DoW and DoM are technicalities at this point.


And I disagree. That pic somehow manages to represent every healer we have, WHMs cane, ASTs hat, SCHs book. Don't we have enough high fantasy as it is?
We need a healer that's different, not more of the same, and it would complete a 'mech' trinity, GNB, MCH and Chemist.

[Amnmaat]

PLD and DRK cast spells, NIN has ninjutsu and SAM even has cast times. Are they DoM?

RDM has melee attacks, is that a DoW?

DoW and DoM are technicalities at this point.


And I disagree. That pic somehow manages to represent every healer we have, WHMs cane, ASTs hat, SCHs book. Don't we have enough high fantasy as it is?
We need a healer that's different, not more of the same, and it would complete a 'mech' trinity, GNB, MCH and Chemist.

Are we playing Final Fantasy or STWOR haha? There's no need to complete a "mech trinity." Not even world of warcraft strives for such a thing.
And your shot at the picture I posted is at what she's wearing, which you and I know will always be the attire DoM healers will get, that will never change outside of a few dungeon sets. Heck, you strengthen the case for the potion-make mage I proposed with that picture since it would use the same DoM mage clothing the game has established.

[Seraphor]

Are we playing Final Fantasy or STWOR haha? There's no need to complete a "mech trinity." Not even world of warcraft strives for such a thing.
And your shot at the picture I posted is at what she's wearing, which you and I know will always be the attire DoM healers will get, that will never change outside of a few dungeon sets. Heck, you strengthen the case for the potion-make mage I proposed with that picture since it would use the same DoM mage clothing the game has established.

What? No.
There's no point in making new jobs identical to existing ones.

BRD, MCH and DNC all have very different aesthetics despite sharing gear.
There's absolutely no reason to keep the same aesthetics for all healers.
Healers all being the same is the biggest complaint about them.

SWTOR what???

[Amnmaat]

What? No.
There's no point in making new jobs identical to existing ones.

BRD, MCH and DNC all have very different aesthetics despite sharing gear.
There's absolutely no reason to keep the same aesthetics for all healers.
Healers all being the same is the biggest complaint about them.

SWTOR what???

You're purposely conflating the points of discussion.

1. How is using chemist's theme in a magical way making a job identical to existing ones?
2. Chemist's problem isn't aesthetics, it's role and classification
3. So you're saying chemist would be the same as all healers just because it enchants liquids with magic incantations instead of potion vials/bottles?

A DoW healer will never exist, unless you add magic to it that's what chemist ends up being; DoW.
SWTOR, Star wars the old republic; it's an mmorpg about star wars which uses mech for everything.

[Seraphor]

You're purposely conflating the points of discussion.

1. How is using chemist's theme in a magical way making a job identical to existing ones?
2. Chemist's problem isn't aesthetics, it's role and classification
3. So you're saying chemist would be the same as all healers just because it enchants liquids with magic incantations instead of potion vials/bottles?

A DoW healer will never exist, unless you add magic to it that's what chemist ends up being; DoW.
SWTOR = Star wars the old republic; it's an mmorpg about star wars which uses mech for everything.

You can't just fob off any techy suggestions with a glib reference to scifi.
You've heard of magitek right? It's a pretty big Final Fantasy staple, in literally every Final Fantasy game. The fusion of magic and technology.
A techy chemist fits that concept perfectly and it wouldn't take much lore explanation at all.
People wouldn't be suggesting chemist as a gun toting techy job if it wasn't already a recurring job in that exact form either.
Are you sure you know what Final Fantasy is? Because it sounds like you want to play LotR.