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  1. #31
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Chemist doesn't necessarily need to be implemented as a potion based job. It could just as easily be added as a rifle using job that shoots healing shells/bullets at allies and explosive/poison based shells/bullets at enemies. We already have a gun based job, of course, but that means little when there's multiple sword based jobs. I'd love for Chemist to originate from Garlemald, personally.
    I also think that would be where Medic is potentially going to be, Garlean's chemist called something different so people aren't dodgily looking at Alchemist lol. Alchemist / chemist issue being avoided while also granting SE a bit more freedom, yet still heavily lean on the chemist concept with physical non-magical based restorative themes and concepts. Can also be a fun way to introduce gadgets, like Machinist has. Calling down healing airstrikes haha. If Medic gets a pet, which I'm not saying it needs, it would, imo, be hilarious and cute to get their own personal roomba haha (maybe petting it makes it do a circle and beep hehe). Their little roomba being a platform they can slap support onto, making it more unique than the other pets- such that medic builds onto / augments it, like making their roomba activate a shielding dome like some mechanics in FFXIV fights have (some dungeons/primals), etc.

    Maybe hilariously could have the roomba expand and the Medic jumps onto it and it becomes a in combat mount with a big turret attachment that they can fire off shells that impale the ground and then radiate healing and buff zones while also being able to manufacture and fire off their other abilities through the roomba, meaning casting times are not on yourself and while they still exist on your roomba they could be launching out volleys of healing (or damage) rather than just one ability at a time like the roomba can process two commands at a time (super mobile mode for medic, like the caster mages get lightspeed and similar abilities). Although I'm just having goofy fun over here XD.

    Also agree a job from the Garleans would be neat, a nice way to humanize them further- a job that heals from the 'enemy' . Which isn't to say we don't have enemies or that everything done is now forgiven but I like enemies to have reasons and be allowed to have reasons beyond "I am bad man", all that black rose and like activity is still a huge problem- just that fighting the people and fighting the government are not required to be the same thing at all times (something FFXIV already does really, minus Zenos lol).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 07-14-2020 at 04:23 AM.

  2. #32
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    Mirron, me saying the class is going to focus on Water and Aero isn’t me doing a disservice to the class. It’s me being able to read. The game tells us they focus on it, Kyo’s title is literally “of the wind and water”, he opened a school for it.

    While yes I would love ‘Nado and Flood, I have never said that is the end all be all. I like clockwork say I think it will focus on certain elements. Opposed to the people on here who think it will either be Whm2 or somehow using every element and weather effect plus ground markers, giving the most intricate gameplay an mmo has ever seen.

    While yes, Yoshi P and the team could do anything with it. I don’t think they are going to stray THAT far from the lore book, the in game lore, a dungeon, a trial and other quests saying that the class in focused on certain things.
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    Last edited by BasicBlake; 07-14-2020 at 04:34 AM.

  3. #33
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    We were going to get Chemist in Heavensward, but they couldn't figure out the mechanic properly, and it became AST. Maybe they found a way to impliment it this time.
    Considering how they managed to finally fix how Mudras work after so many years, I won't be surprised if they use the new Mudra system for Chemist as their Mixing abilities.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how they managed to finally fix how Mudras work after so many years, I won't be surprised if they use the new Mudra system for Chemist as their Mixing abilities.
    Have always wanted that.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #35
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    In regards to the people arguing against a Garlean themed job based off of things like Aether manipulation and DoM vs DoW, you can get around this with the basic story. Only pureblood Garleans cannot manipulate Aether, and their army is well.... not a bunch of pure blooded Garleans. It’s comprised of a bunch of races/people that have been conquered and subjugated. Who are more than capable of doing anything anyone else can.

    Hence how Bajsaljen is a medic, and that probably involves not only healing with items but through Aether manipulation. Wearing robes and being a DoM doesn’t have anything to do with a chemist being put in the game. And robes as a deterrent from something being a healer is... well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    In regards to the people arguing against a Garlean themed job based off of things like Aether manipulation and DoM vs DoW, you can get around this with the basic story. Only pureblood Garleans cannot manipulate Aether, and their army is well.... not a bunch of pure blooded Garleans. It’s comprised of a bunch of races/people that have been conquered and subjugated. Who are more than capable of doing anything anyone else can.

    Hence how Bajsaljen is a medic, and that probably involves not only healing with items but through Aether manipulation. Wearing robes and being a DoM doesn’t have anything to do with a chemist being put in the game. And robes as a deterrent from something being a healer is... well.
    Eh, from what I gather Garlemald the country, not the colonies are of pureblood Garleans only. What's the purpose of a Garlemald themed expansion when the job is by some random race that isn't Garlean? It's like being taught the ninja job by a lalafel that lives in Ishgard.
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  7. #37
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how they managed to finally fix how Mudras work after so many years, I won't be surprised if they use the new Mudra system for Chemist as their Mixing abilities.
    I like that idea.
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  8. #38
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Eh, from what I gather Garlemald the country, not the colonies are of pureblood Garleans only. What's the purpose of a Garlemald themed expansion when the job is by some random race that isn't Garlean? It's like being taught the ninja job by a lalafel that lives in Ishgard.
    Then we take the Magitek easy way out. Chemists use a device on them that was created by the Garleans to manually drain and control aether from their own bodies, which is used to create their potions.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    In regards to the people arguing against a Garlean themed job based off of things like Aether manipulation and DoM vs DoW, you can get around this with the basic story. Only pureblood Garleans cannot manipulate Aether, and their army is well.... not a bunch of pure blooded Garleans. It’s comprised of a bunch of races/people that have been conquered and subjugated. Who are more than capable of doing anything anyone else can.

    Hence how Bajsaljen is a medic, and that probably involves not only healing with items but through Aether manipulation. Wearing robes and being a DoM doesn’t have anything to do with a chemist being put in the game. And robes as a deterrent from something being a healer is... well.
    Also might just suggest another option too, in that our trainer also includes an invention, maybe even by Cid who is used to working with magic users by now, where like with Machinist or Gunbreaker that generates / charges bullets so too here we have a device that takes our aether and some basic ingredients and creates functional compounds. Might even make the Garlean job teacher jealous that we can so easily create compounds, but he'll still prove the players the student with his vast and nuanced understanding of the field.

    I think of "Honey Lemon" from Big Hero 6 in some ways for reference, the one that has the purse that allows her to create from elements on the fly.

    It's also technically why I keep suggesting the roomba for the Medic / Chemist job lol. Such that the roomba acts as the chamber that generates the compounds you need XD. Although you could do it through other concepts too, I just think it's cute to think of a floor puppy chasing around the chemist / medic as their baby backpack bud.

    As for the job gear, well if you still use some aether to charge your roomba then the robes seem fine, but I personally would find it interesting if SE breaks the mold a bit and says like "that healer will wear aiming gear, dex is their main stat". Would certainly make balancing a bit unique but I don't think it's impossible, though certainly harder than just keeping it all same ol same ol. Also want to see a melee based mage that wears like dragoon armor, just because lol (which is why I sometimes suggest Geoknight, being a bruiser Golbez / Suaron inspired mage, the foil of Red Mage).
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    Anyone got a link of a actuall potential skill spread?
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