A (Probably Terrible) Idea to Help SCH class identity

[AdamFyi]

Not to defend the guy, but they aren’t technically wrong. :o

If their goal is to clear the encounter, then as long as it’s cleared, it should be fine. This is more towards the casual side of play. Could he perform better? Absolutely. It just depends on where each player‘s priorities lies. Would they rather play it safe to guarantee a higher chance to clear? Maybe. Stuff like that is what it boils down into. There’s always room to improve though.

If they're truly content with how healers are, then they wouldn't be looking here in the first place or even comment.

I mean, I’m pretty content with Healers right now, but I like popping in to read everyone’s ideas, opinions, and perspectives. Personally, I think this is the most balanced iteration of Healers that we’ve ever had. Definitely far from perfect, and definitely could use a ton of QoL to make the gameplay more interesting. Stuff like giving Sch a Faerie Gauge spender that does damage, or something to refund potency loss on Energy Drain, for example.

I just don’t agree with adding (de)buff bloat to everything without considering its impact lol. For reference, Divination’s 4~6% damage up buff already gives like 800+ rDPS alone, and Chain Strategem gives about 700+ rDPS.

[Gravagar]

I mean, I’m pretty content with Healers right now, but I like popping in to read everyone’s ideas, opinions, and perspectives. Personally, I think this is the most balanced iteration of Healers that we’ve ever had. Definitely far from perfect, and definitely could use a ton of QoL to make the gameplay more interesting. Stuff like giving Sch a Faerie Gauge spender that does damage, or something to refund potency loss on Energy Drain, for example.

I just don’t agree with adding (de)buff bloat to everything without considering its impact lol. For reference, Divination’s 4~6% damage up buff already gives like 800+ rDPS alone, and Chain Strategem gives about 700+ rDPS.

I mean... Yeah, it's hard to be imbalanced when everyone's kits are a pared-down WHM, except one has glasses and the other has a frisbee. I just don't find being this balanced to be all that fun- me and my "false thoughts" (lol) remember a time where things were better.


The amount of each damage buff is more of an extrinsic to me. Intrinsically, buffs in this game have such tiny numbers compared to other games that I don't think I'd feel a difference between a 1~3% divination and a 4~6% one, and if lowering divination's amount is what needs to be done to add room for, say, getting AoE cards back... Yeah I'd welcome that without a second thought.


Definitely, definitely, far from perfect. Much further from perfect than late Stormblood healing. Definitely want more fairy gauge spenders, myself, too, in Stormblood it felt like they were hyping up "job gauges for EVERYONE!" hard, and Scholar's did not live up to the hype at all, due to the whole, one-ability-only-lol thing. Thinking about it, that was the first case of a fairy command being an oGCD instead of a parallel GCD... and man am I not happy that things have gone in THAT direction

[AdamFyi]

I just don't find being this balanced to be all that fun- me and my "false thoughts" (lol) remember a time where things were better.

That’s totally understandable. Just because I think it’s the most balanced iteration, doesn’t mean that others will find it fun.

if lowering divination's amount is what needs to be done to add room for, say, getting AoE cards back... Yeah I'd welcome that without a second thought.

That’s generally what needs to be done in order to actually add more (de)buffs. The potential strength of (de)buff stacking is just too strong (which is why they reduced it). They’d probably have to take away power from the base kit to compensate i.e. reducing the potency of Broil/Ruin/Biolysis/ED or even nerfing Chain Strategem again.

Definitely want more fairy gauge spenders, myself, too, in Stormblood it felt like they were hyping up "job gauges for EVERYONE!" hard, and Scholar's did not live up to the hype at all, due to the whole, one-ability-only-lol thing.

I was genuinely hoping that Fey Blessing would be a counterpart to Fey Union. It’d channel an AoE heal near Eos/Selene that drains the Faerie Gauge while active. Was one of the things on my wishlish for Sch back during Stormblood. I’ll take Fey Blessing for what it is, but it’s not super satisfying to use sometimes lol.

[Rilifane]

Not to defend the guy, but they aren’t technically wrong.

If their goal is to clear the encounter, then as long as it’s cleared, it should be fine. This is more towards the casual side of play. Could he perform better? Absolutely. It just depends on where each player‘s priorities lies. Would they rather play it safe to guarantee a higher chance to clear? Maybe. Stuff like that is what it boils down into. There’s always room to improve though.

If we are looking at FFlogs, we are doing it for endgame content. Not for story dungeons. So while clearing the content is the only goal in casual content and not everyone performing decently is perfectly acceptable to a degree because there is no hard requirement to clear, in endgame content just aiming to clear it somehow and not paying attention to your own performance is just dumping more responsibility on others to the point of silently asking for a carry.
The goal of every clear party in PF is obviously to clear but someone slacking is putting the team at a disadvantage from the start and one they may not recover from.
Honest mistakes happen all the time but a team with some people performing way below average will not be able to salvage them as easily, if at all. Doing the minimum required for a clear if most others perform well is not enough in endgame content.

First clears are often messy semi-carries and they performed poorly. That's okay, everyone started somewhere.
But from then on it's everyone's own responsibility to improve independently from others. Even classes like Nin, Dnc or Ast which depend quite a lot on others performing decently have enough they need to work out alone. If the others perform well, too, great! But the first step is always to look at themselves.

Well u see thats the trap of fflogs. It can tell u numbers but nothing about the ppl u were playing, their performance and the situation of the fight. Especially when u are pugging. Countless of times i had to give up dpsing to save a run cause the other healer was so focused to parse his glare that was useless to heal. Countless of times i rezed again and again greedy dps dieing like chickens in joke mechanics to get 1 extra gcd for their parse. Countlesa of times i had to babysit a tank that doesnt know what mitigation cooldowns are. So yeah i get your point. Everyone can improve and perform better. But to perform better u need from everyone in your party to equally try to perform. Its not a solo job. Not saying that fflogs is evil, just saying that it can easily disorient ppl from their first goal which is to kill the boss

I think you're underestimating the amount of things FFlogs and xiva can tell you.
You can see exactly who died at which time and to which mechanic, you can look through the cast tabs of other players and look up when and how often they used mitigation, you can see who took how much damage from mechanics, you can even watch a full replay and see how people positioned themselves and get an idea about their gear by how much their HP dropped during certain mechanics.
You have a full timeline for every single button someone pushed in FFlogs and xiva.
Reconstructing a fight based on all these informations is rather easy.

And improving in endgame content is first and foremost everyone's own responsibility. You do not need everyone in your party trying to equally perform better to improve yourself - this is your responsibility. Trying to put at least part of the blames on others is only going to hinder you.
I had some really chaotic parties with people dying countless times, positioning themselves poorly, not using mitigation, tanks with poor gear and bad cd management but all of that doesn't keep you from things like using powerful oGCDs, paying attention to your uptime, regulary refresing your dot etc., if you try.
Your performance starts with yourself, not others. The better you are, the easier it will be to handle every type of party, from the smooth steamrollers to the chaotic bunch of headless chicken.

[AdamFyi]

Just aiming to clear it somehow and not paying attention to your own performance is just dumping more responsibility on others to the point of silently asking for a carry.
The goal of every clear party in PF is obviously to clear but someone slacking is putting the team at a disadvantage from the start and one they may not recover from.
Honest mistakes happen all the time but a team with some people performing way below average will not be able to salvage them as easily, if at all. Doing the minimum required for a clear if most others perform well is not enough in endgame content.

I mean, did you take a look at the guy’s clears? Average of 4 deaths per clear, with most of them ending in majority of the group having greys in damage.

As I said before, the only thing I really agree with the guy on is forgoing a few casts of Broil if it keeps people alive and gets the party through the encounter — and not doing the bare minimum. Those few missing Broils aren’t going to make or break the fight unless it’s week 1 world prog, Ultimate, or the other players in your party are also slacking. Maybe it’s a difference in mindset, I suppose? PF has been pretty bad recently cause of the content drought. I’ve seen a decent number of deaths and wipes in endgame content due to negligence to heal which is kinda unfortunate. :o