Quote Originally Posted by Yue_Amariyo View Post
again that is a bad mindset to have, kick the person and form an Endgame LS for future runs. Not everyone who flubs mechanics is there to be carried or is griefing. Thisa community suffered from assiptionitis.. i swear. gate keeping helps no one. Just makes people feel they cant get stuff done. A lot of ppl stop doing endgame in MMO because of drama lamas and ridiculous gate keeping.

set up a 3 wipe rule, add people whp was helpful to flist/ ls and form connections. funny enough early ff11 didnt really have this issue as the team leader would explain the fight/content and tell ppl what to do/ where to go.
Gatekeeping is what keeps people out of places they shouldn't be and it's very much a helpful thing when it's used in moderation.

The very idea of PF tags like [Practice] and [Duty complete] as well as player-made distinctions like "this is not LR prog" means you're drawing a line in the sand and saying "this is the level of experience and competence I expect" which (if people listen to what's being said and don't join things they shouldn't) saves everyone from a lot of conflict.

Not every group in PF wants to carry someone who scraped by their first clear by the luck of being in a solid group and healers who were generous with covering up for their mistakes. This would be less of an issue if the game gave players feedback about their performance so they would understand that they need to do better to not be s burden next time around but instead every instance is just pass/fail unless you go searching for third party tools.

The more communication and distinction available in the creation of PF groups the better. I would be most interested in having a [Duty Complete] as we do now and then some other tag to signify 5, 10, whatever number of clears. That way party leaders can better craft the groups they want without needing to put in a bunch of time to recruiting, vetting and inviting people to a cwls/discord/whatever.