Please Add Daily Challenge for Rival Wings and The Feast

[Rebel40000]

I was talking to some people in my FC last night about how I would love to do more Rival Wings but it's almost impossible to play. I enjoy it way more than Frontline, so I would onboard for adding it as a roulette. It's always great when the moogle tome event starts because people actually want to play it for a little bit.

[DrWho2010]

you can't just magically *make* people do PVP. even if you add a daily challenge thing - you'd have to incentivize it first which would only attract people from the PVE crowd for a very short time. eventually the mode will die off and you'll be back to square one. Square enix can't find a solution to pull people into a mode because they're not willing to pull resources into suddenly more PVP - they're far too busy making more PVE stuff.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

you can't just magically *make* people do PVP. even if you add a daily challenge thing - you'd have to incentivize it first which would only attract people from the PVE crowd for a very short time. eventually the mode will die off and you'll be back to square one. Square enix can't find a solution to pull people into a mode because they're not willing to pull resources into suddenly more PVP - they're far too busy making more PVE stuff.

Who says ppl from the PVE crowd aren't just sleeper PVP enthusiasts? You can't just say "it won't work because it attracts PVE players" if you don't see if they will even stick with PVP. If it does not work, then we at least TRIED.

Also I am a bit dumbfounded how making a copy-paste of the Frontline thing and replace the duties with Astragolos + Hidden Gorge for RW and The Feast (Training) for the other would take a lot of resources. And I don't think they set up their Duty Finder duty list so complex that adding two let alone one extra challenge would be unfeasable.

[DrWho2010]

Who says ppl from the PVE crowd aren't just sleeper PVP enthusiasts? You can't just say "it won't work because it attracts PVE players" if you don't see if they will even stick with PVP. If it does not work, then we at least TRIED.

Also I am a bit dumbfounded how making a copy-paste of the Frontline thing and replace the duties with Astragolos + Hidden Gorge for RW and The Feast (Training) for the other would take a lot of resources. And I don't think they set up their Duty Finder duty list so complex that adding two let alone one extra challenge would be unfeasable.

Trying something that ultimately fails is a waste of resources and money (see how dead Lord of Verminion is). Also love the backseat coding philosophy that most people on this forum seem to have. and honestly how many more EXP/tome acquiring options do we need?

[Kezzic]

having people just outright afk or throw matches because the modes aren't fun, but there's stuff they want from it and when you try to get them to play properly its "man im just here for the exp".

Yeah, that’s garbage and toxic behavior, and they shouldn’t be in that queue. But people do the same thing in PvE queues in Praetorium/Leveling Roulette/PotD/etc. it’s not a problem unique to PVP queues. Even so, that doesn’t happen often— at least on my data center, in the Frontlines matches I play. Though I’m sure that the few times it does happen, it spoils the bunch.

The part we aren't going to agree on is the "at all costs" measures you seem to want to take to get there, like sod it if the matches suck, at least it pops. [...] it is absolutely unenjoyable to PvP when people on your team would clearly rather be doing anything else, but need their dailies done.

This is the part where I think we have a fundamentally different perspective because you have the privilege of a semi-active data center and a community to throw matches together with. But it isn’t a zero-sum game here. If they add Daily Challenge modes for PVP, you aren’t going to suddenly have these modes swarmed with unmotivated players who are going to sandbag every queue you find yourself in. I do think Square Enix needs to redesign their PVP scene to be more nuanced and rewarding. I do not think a Daily Challenge will fix the PVP scene.

I do however want to be able to simply queue and play these existing modes. At the moment I can’t. I understand the reasons why that you repeatedly told me “I didn’t understand”. It’s a multifaceted issue, stemming from just being a poor PVP scene in a PvE focused game. I get that. But in the time-being, let me play the dang gimped PVP version that already exists. I’m not going to create throwaway characters on JP servers or other Data Centers when they could simply just make a stupid-proof queue on the front of their Roulette page for players to see when they go down their dailies list.

[BloodRubyXII]

Neither do I. Now imagine being on a data center with significantly less activity than that. Imagine how desperate I am for any PVP outside of Frontlines. I too have played for years, and even in the sorry, neglected state that PVP is in, I still want to play Rival Wings and The Feast. I literally can’t outside of 1 day of the week, during a specific timezone’s peak hours. We agree here.

Yeah I understand this, I may do both activities, I mean I love this game to the point I have a ridiculous amount of clears on even just expert dungeons and normals, think I already mentioned it. Just love everything about the game. But I'd be lying if I said I wouldnt queue for Onsal at 2pm in the afternoon or 3am in the morning on EU if I could. The worst part is that queue on Light always dies at 10 ST on a weekday. Knowing this is depressing. Because it opens up with the roulettes reset at like 3 ST. I raid or play feast from around 6 to 9. So by the time all that's done I might get an hour of Onsal because it always dies at 10. The thing about the daily challenge is, I might still have this issue; like - independent of match quality or anything like that I might still not actually get more games.

There aren't any of your other points I can address at this moment, because I think you've addressed everything I wrote perfectly and there's no part of your reply I could say different or don't agree with. Like you said, we won't agree on the last point, but I totally understand that you will gladly take what you can get in activity because at this point you just wanna play. I feel bad for people who work like a 2-10PM or something. This is the only MMO that I've played that "goes to sleep". I can log on SWTOR at 5am and get a PvP match. I'll get stomped by a premade, but at least I can play.

[Kezzic]

Yeah, I feel like we’re both on the same page at this point. The only thing I’d like to add, specifically directed at Square Enix, their community managers, and forum moderators:

Everyone here in this thread deeply cares about FF14 and it’s community. We all just want to do our best to give appropriate feedback on the state of PVP. No matter what decisions end up being made, all we want is a fun and engaging PVP scene. If at the end of the day, whoever is reading this could pass up the chain that players are interested in more of the team’s attention directed to PVP, I feel like everyone in this thread would be satisfied.

I’m sure we could all agree that we want PVP tailored incentives for PVP modes, more engaging PVP modes to draw more players in to the scene, and in general to be addressed more on mediums such as Live Letters, or even official community posts. We simply just do not want to be shouting into a void.

Perhaps consider polling players on what kind of PVP changes they would like to see. I know that the PVPaissa Discord has a #pvp-feedback channel that could be browsed for community ideas that are actually up or downvoted based on their popularity. That would be a good place to start collecting a bulletized list of suggestions to propose to the team based on community feedback.

Thank you all for your time, that’s all I really have to add here.