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    Garnix's Avatar
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    Leih'to Molkoh
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    Zodiark
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    You look at the consequence instead of looking at the cause.
    All I heard since the beginning of ShB is that healers press a single DPS button over and over again because the encounters are basically not being designed to have you press your GCD heals a lot.
    Which means, that, yes, it can feel lobotomized. And that's probably not great design.
    But that's not because the healers kit is braindead easy to use. When I look at the healers toolkit, I think it looks pretty solid and far from lobotomized. It is probably just as complex as any tanks or dps toolkits.
    However, because the damages taken are not sufficient compared to your heal-heavy toolkit, or because your heals are too powerful, or both, it leads you to spam the same DPS ability over and over again.
    And that is the part which is not great.
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Stupid double post
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    Last edited by FoxCh40s; 09-08-2021 at 02:50 AM.

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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Go look at the Healer threads and the majority of complaints. We are complaining about exactly JUST that, that healers have been completely lobotomized.

    Imagine if you would, if Monk was just Bootshine for your dps, and Rock Breaker was your only AoE.

    .
    To be fair this worked with MCH? And lesser extend DRK
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    To be fair this worked with MCH? And lesser extend DRK
    Wait, wait, what?

    The lobotomized versions of MCH and DRK have... "worked" (to the point of not having similarly frustrated complaints)?


    Edit: My bad. Post-shift tired misread. I missed the "?"
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 09-08-2021 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Wait, wait, what?

    The lobotomized versions of MCH and DRK have... "worked" (to the point of not having similarly frustrated complaints)?


    Edit: My bad. Post-shift tired misread. I missed the "?"
    DRK has equal parts POd mains and submissive mains whom "its fine as is" MCH doesnt have nearly as strong as a base for the opposition probably due to how few MCH players exited in SB and even fewer who mained it completely eclipsed by the large number of people maining it now.

    Helaers are in a league of their own, as boring as it is to do 1-2-3 its worse doing dot-hardcast over and over
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    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Wait, wait, what?

    The lobotomized versions of MCH and DRK have... "worked" (to the point of not having similarly frustrated complaints)?
    I know you know what I mean, and I know I don't have to explain Healer bs to you.
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    Ren Crowe
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    Faerie
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    I know you know what I mean, and I know I don't have to explain Healer bs to you.
    have you tried healing some savages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymi64 View Post
    have you tried healing some savages?
    Sure have, extremely dull to be honest.

    Malefic, Malefic, Malefic, Combust, Malefic, Essential Dignity -> Malefic.

    MEH
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    So we are getting:
    • Reduced mana cost for single target combo (20|20 + 15|15 + 15|15 = 50|50)
    • Reduced mana gain (+2|+2 Jolt, +6|+0 Verslowspell, +7|+0 Verareaspell, +11|+0 Verfinisher, +4|+4 Scorch). Impact appears to remain +3|+3.
    • Verfinishers and Scorch are AoE and can be activated after building up three stacks from Moulinet or a single target combo.
    • New post-Scorch action grants +4|+4 appears to be a line attack.
    • Manafication grants +50|+50 outright to speed up opener
    • AoE damage reduction ability

    The lightning spell from the benchmark sequence appears to be just a black verslowspell (Verthunder III?) replacing Verthunder.

    The demo RDM builds up the three charges for Verfinisher by doing three Moulinet, but their next GCD action is a Jolt and the meter drains, so you can't bank Moulinets for later. I'd wager that (Moulinet during a melee combo) and (E.Riposte after Moulinet) will both reset the charges to 1.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 09-18-2021 at 03:56 PM.

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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    From limited information it doesn't seem we're getting *more* melee combos, but we'll be able to stack up enough b/w mana for two melee combos at a time and manafication now guarantees a melee combo. new-RDM seems to be more flexible with melee combo usage but we'll have to wait for the final numbers on everything.

    But where's our omniembolden?
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