how does one use blue mage?

[HeulGDarian]

Yeah again youre generalising so im not gonna reply any further, but there are a lot of complaints from people who have got it to 60 and have done max blue content, myself included, and your appeal to authority fallacy is not a show of something being objectively flawed https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...l-to-Authority . Saying you need to have to have played blu to its fullest to make complaints about it is also mild no true scottsman fallacy, as someone can demonstrate understandings of systems and have fundamental valid complaints about a thing without meeting your arbitrary threshold for valid criticism.

ok. if you say so.

I should propably defend my self a bit more, it never goes good when i leave stuff for interpretation. You say that what im saying is generalized , and an appeal to authority fallacy , what im saying is that i take more seriously arguments bred from knowledge , as in arguments that were made from more than 10 mins of gameplay or thought , you call it authority fallacy, well i can call your stand point anti-intellectualism.
Obviously nothing appeals to everyone , which is why we are having this conversation , the problem is that since blue already has a fan base be it small or large ,again going by stuff that i watched back then in those threads , why would you try to cater to the people who ,according to you are having just balance discussions, keep calling the job garbage. Wouldn't you want to appeal to the fanbase you created?
You will tell me they should listen to the majority but look how other jobs turned out. the whole healer and tank role turned like this to accommodate the skill of the player base as a whole , to become more ACCESSIBLE , and what happened is it lost the most dedicated of their playerbase some which have left.
In the end unless you give me an actual argument as to why it should change or if it is worth changing then we will go nowhere, instead you have opted to just taking the piss.

[ReiMakoto]

ok. if you say so.

I should propably defend my self a bit more, it never goes good when i leave stuff for interpretation. You say that what im saying is generalized , and an appeal to authority fallacy , what im saying is that i take more seriously arguments bred from knowledge , as in arguments that were made from more than 10 mins of gameplay or thought , you call it authority fallacy, well i can call your stand point anti-intellectualism.
Obviously nothing appeals to everyone , which is why we are having this conversation , the problem is that since blue already has a fan base be it small or large ,again going by stuff that i watched back then in those threads , why would you try to cater to the people who ,according to you are having just balance discussions, keep calling the job garbage. Wouldn't you want to appeal to the fanbase you created?
You will tell me they should listen to the majority but look how other jobs turned out. the whole healer and tank role turned like this to accommodate the skill of the player base as a whole , to become more ACCESSIBLE , and what happened is it lost the most dedicated of their playerbase some which have left.
In the end unless you give me an actual argument as to why it should change or if it is worth changing then we will go nowhere, instead you have opted to just taking the piss.

Straw manning my pointing out of appeal to authority. If someones argument after 10 mins is demonstrably wrong it should be argued against as such, but just saying the devs know more is not an arguement. However someone who has a thought after 10 mins can still have valid and appropriate feedback.

Im not actually someone who advocates it be "changed" per say, but this was not the point of this thread. My stance is that there is no arguement other than "rescources" why a limited and unlimited blu cannot exist alongside each other. Current iteration of BLU already has the framework of a fully functioning level 60 dps, and if you subtract mimicry and final sting it has a balanced dps output as well. I think they should listen the majority in the sense that a form of blu for endgame should exist, i dont want to take away what some people find fun despite my own feelings on the content. I dunno whete youve found this echo chamber of people just calling it garbage but in the threads ive participated in theres plenty of healthy discussion as to how it could work. Your arguments about tanks and healers is imteresting, however as a regular on these forums I dont think I remember people asking for how they exist today other than in the ast crowd, the majority that square seems to accommodate to seems to be rather the silent kind rather than whats said here. And once again you seem to be implying a backwards agumentum ad popularum (appeal to masses), where you are saying the masses are wrong inherently based on past events, which is very wrong just from an argumentation standpoint.

You should also chill my dude, the reason i wasnt giving you my arguments was because this was not the thread for it, and if pointing out the problems with your arguments is "taking the piss" then so be it.

I realise I just broke what i said earlier about not replying to, which is a shame but i guess im bored.

Feel free to go through the threads, there was a good one a month or so ago, but trying to go through the main BLU for duty finder thread could take you a while

[HeulGDarian]

Straw manning my pointing out of appeal to authority. If someones argument after 10 mins is demonstrably wrong it should be argued against as such, but just saying the devs know more is not an arguement. However someone who has a thought after 10 mins can still have valid and appropriate feedback.

Im not actually someone who advocates it be "changed" per say, but this was not the point of this thread. My stance is that there is no arguement other than "rescources" why a limited and unlimited blu cannot exist alongside each other. Current iteration of BLU already has the framework of a fully functioning level 60 dps, and if you subtract mimicry and final sting it has a balanced dps output as well. I think they should listen the majority in the sense that a form of blu for endgame should exist, i dont want to take away what some people find fun despite my own feelings on the content. I dunno whete youve found this echo chamber of people just calling it garbage but in the threads ive participated in theres plenty of healthy discussion as to how it could work. Your arguments about tanks and healers is imteresting, however as a regular on these forums I dont think I remember people asking for how they exist today other than in the ast crowd, the majority that square seems to accommodate to seems to be rather the silent kind rather than whats said here. And once again you seem to be implying a backwards agumentum ad popularum (appeal to masses), where you are saying the masses are wrong inherently based on past events, which is very wrong just from an argumentation standpoint.

You should also chill my dude, the reason i wasnt giving you my arguments was because this was not the thread for it, and if pointing out the problems with your arguments is "taking the piss" then so be it.

I realise I just broke what i said earlier about not replying to, which is a shame but i guess im bored.

Feel free to go through the threads, there was a good one a month or so ago, but trying to go through the main BLU for duty finder thread could take you a while

my problem is that i dont go in all gun ahoy ready to start fights at bars. im honestly trying to see both arguements .
then the arguement comes that says blue isnt overpowered , when he has a full heal on a gcd , death for all bosses except the final ones , that exception includes 8mans , an ignore any mech button , a 5% dps on a 30 seconds cooldown as well as a 5 % dps depending on the element which is irrelevant to anyone but blu if he was unlimited .... til you realise blm still has aspected elemental magic and you know it aint bogus cause his passive increases fire dmg, as well as final sting that you mentioned and the best buffing spell moonflute , a reprisal that works on everything and low enough cds to get their opener up again every downtime.
cracks on that opinion start appearing , this most certaintly isnt a patch and fixed situation , and its why 10 mins of gameplay doesnt give you a full picture

[ReiMakoto]

my problem is that i dont go in all gun ahoy ready to start fights at bars. im honestly trying to see both arguements .
then the arguement comes that says blue isnt overpowered , when he has a full heal on a gcd , death for all bosses except the final ones , that exception includes 8mans , an ignore any mech button , a 5% dps on a 30 seconds cooldown as well as a 5 % dps depending on the element which is irrelevant to anyone but blu if he was unlimited .... til you realise blm still has aspected elemental magic and you know it aint bogus cause his passive increases fire dmg, as well as final sting that you mentioned and the best buffing spell moonflute , a reprisal that works on everything and low enough cds to get their opener up again every downtime.
cracks on that opinion start appearing , this most certaintly isnt a patch and fixed situation , and its why 10 mins of gameplay doesnt give you a full picture

Last reply, look through my post history, ive discussed that all in the past from a high optimisation perspective, a lot of those skills are not as desirable as you would first assume, but what im talking about is the common duty set arguement, where if you take blus already existing optimal dps loadout and sand some of the edges off you have a fully functions dps job. Also death doesnt work on all but final bosses, theres loads of first and second bosses it doesnt work on

[L-Lihzeh]

Also death doesnt work on all but final bosses, theres loads of first and second bosses it doesnt work on

I would assume so lol, in most games I assume death and doom will fail against most things

(lot of back and forth there)