Bot issues

[ObtainingSignature]

Not even gathering it's also the crafting ones just look at all those 1 gil undercutting bots for neo and facet gear crafting/gathering never stops

[Doozer]

When did I say anyone was less educated than me? You're coming off really insecure now, resorting to attacking me instead of addressing what I'm saying. I think you do want to be right, that's why you came back here after leaving just to cling to the first person that kind of sounded like he agreed with you.

The problem is that he didn't really say anything or even really address the topic. He basically said "I have a degree and I'm right," without actually addressing a single point. He's welcome to elaborate.

The lack of self awareness here is truly astounding.

I came back because I saw other people had posted and decided to respond to one. I am allowed to do that, right sir? And you claim I'm attacking you, but you frequently accused me of not knowing anything and just thinking I did, constantly attacking my intelligence. What, you think I'm too stupid to notice that?

As well, I believe you spent a lot of time not actually doing anything except saying "you don't know anything, and I do, and I'm right". You're also welcome to elaborate beyond "that's illegal because I [apparently] took a class once". Yet you haven't. Besides very subtly altering your argument so everyone seems just a bit off the mark every time. Don't think I didn't notice you change it to implying SE still charges you after banning you (See: "Companies still can't LEGALLY take your money for a service and then not provide the service just because they don't feel like it."), but I'm not going to waste my time arguing against that anymore because you don't listen.

It's funny that I responded to that guy, ignoring you, and then you came after me again. You have to prove that I'm wrong specifically because I was the first one to disagree with you, I assume. Except I said I was done fighting with you on the actual topic because I felt like it was getting too far away from the original topic. So I'll quote that person on something I feel is really important for you to see:

Of course, your fear and defense over something that shouldn't be affecting you alarms me. This is about bots getting banned. Not about your fear of getting banned and your misconception on a very common law.

So anyway...

Not even gathering it's also the crafting ones just look at all those 1 gil undercutting bots for neo and facet gear crafting/gathering never stops

That can be an extra tricky area because plenty of players who aren't botting also undercut by 1 and are just very quick to check their prices or something. It would be hard to prove that one, unfortunately.

[Goji1639]

The lack of self awareness here is truly astounding.

I came back because I saw other people had posted and decided to respond to one. I am allowed to do that, right sir? And you claim I'm attacking you, but you frequently accused me of not knowing anything and just thinking I did, constantly attacking my intelligence. What, you think I'm too stupid to notice that?

As well, I believe you spent a lot of time not actually doing anything except saying "you don't know anything, and I do, and I'm right". You're also welcome to elaborate beyond "that's illegal because I [apparently] took a class once". Yet you haven't. Besides very subtly altering your argument so everyone seems just a bit off the mark every time. Don't think I didn't notice you change it to implying SE still charges you after banning you (See: "Companies still can't LEGALLY take your money for a service and then not provide the service just because they don't feel like it."), but I'm not going to waste my time arguing against that anymore because you don't listen.

It's funny that I responded to that guy, ignoring you, and then you came after me again. You have to prove that I'm wrong specifically because I was the first one to disagree with you, I assume. Except I said I was done fighting with you on the actual topic because I felt like it was getting too far away from the original topic. So I'll quote that person on something I feel is really important for you to see:

I've provided clear examples and rationale behind everything I've said. I've said you're misunderstanding how contracts and contract law function because you are, but that doesn't mean I'm insulting you. You're just becoming excessively insecure and defensive now.

I also never said I was going to stop responding to you, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that I responded to you, or you consider it me "coming after" you...

Also, I'm not sure what the point of repeating his quote is; again, he didn't actually say anything there. Why was that important for me to see?

[Doozer]

I've provided clear examples and rationale behind everything I've said. I've said you're misunderstanding how contracts and contract law function because you are, but that doesn't mean I'm insulting you. You're just becoming excessively insecure and defensive now.

Okay, so answer this now, without dodging: You say they have no basis for what they're saying just because they said they have a degree that required them to learn it. And I've just gone on the assumption that you "took a class" on contract law because you said I should, so: What exactly is your qualification for being an expert on this? Show us your certification. A degree, a letter of reference, literally anything that proves you know more than us besides saying "you don't know anything". Show me that, or save it. You claim to know more than us because you literally say we don't know what we're talking about, which you should only be saying if you know more. So prove it.

Prove it or you automatically admit you know nothing either. You say you can't just say you know things without backing it up, so back up your claims. The burden of proof is on you. You say we're wrong, so show us why you're right. Or just let it go. This is so beyond derailed at this point.

No more roundabout non-answers.

[Goji1639]

Okay, so answer this now, without dodging: You say they have no basis for what they're saying just because they said they have a degree that required them to learn it. And I've just gone on the assumption that you "took a class" on contract law because you said I should, so: What exactly is your qualification for being an expert on this? Show us your certification. A degree, a letter of reference, literally anything that proves you know more than us besides saying "you don't know anything". Show me that, or save it. You claim to know more than us because you literally say we don't know what we're talking about, which you should only be saying if you know more. So prove it.

Prove it or you automatically admit you know nothing either. You say you can't just say you know things without backing it up, so back up your claims. The burden of proof is on you. You say we're wrong, so show us why you're right. Or just let it go. This is so beyond derailed at this point.

No more roundabout non-answers.

I didn't say he had no basis; I said he didn't say anything. The ONLY thing he said specifically about a ToS was that companies can get away with doing illegal stuff because they're rich; which is true but completely outside the point.

I've only been saying basic stuff about contract law. If you think I'm wrong then actually address what I said. If you believe that companies can legally do whatever they want as long as it's written in contract then you're wrong. Sorry.

[Darkobra]

I never said I was an expert; you don't need to be an expert to know the absolute basic tenets of contract law.

Exactly! Now you understand! If you sign a contract, you agree to it! Absolutely basic! If you disagree, you go elsewhere!

Signed, an expert.

GG.

[Goji1639]

Exactly! Now you understand! If you sign a contract, you agree to it! Absolutely basic! If you disagree, you go elsewhere!

Signed, an expert.

GG.

My brother signed a contract I drew up that says he's my slave for life because he lost a bet. Is that legally binding, or is contract law OBVIOUSLY more complicated than that?

Enlighten us, expert.