We really need to talk about Living Dead

[DWolfwood]

I think making job adjustments based on comparing its "overall kit" to another tank is not always the best answer, nor is their performance. Certain abilities just shouldn't be the way they are, and the people who want LD to stay the way it is fall into two camps: 1. elitists and 2. people who want their tank of choice to have advantages of DRK.

Just because we fix LD doesn't mean DRK is the only tank that needs adjustments. If we only seek to look at "overall kits" and how their performance in raids is, then we end up with the situation we have, where dumb abilities that need addressing go unchanged.

[Miminming]

No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice,
People who want LD to change is just the DRK elitist that want more some probably just want a panic button which shouldn't be even a thing if played right... and less good healer or just want to get it easy healer... LD being a 20s invul has it uses and nich, it' perfectly fine as is.

[DWolfwood]

No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice,
People who want LD to change is just the DRK elitist that want more some probably just want a panic button which shouldn't be even a thing if played right... and less good healer or just want to get it easy healer... LD being a 20s invul has it uses and nich, it' perfectly fine as is.

Yeah, this is a terrible way to look at it.

Again. Fixing a single job ability doesn't mean other jobs should stay the way they are. The other tanks need their own issues addressed as well.

[cactuarzzzz]

No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice,
People who want LD to change is just the DRK elitist that want more some probably just want a panic button which shouldn't be even a thing if played right... and less good healer or just want to get it easy healer... LD being a 20s invul has it uses and nich, it' perfectly fine as is.

20s invul? pffff* Nice try.

[DWolfwood]

No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice...

Btw you say this, but do you even raid? PLD and GNB are the "best" tanks right now.

That isn't the issue though. Fixing a skill on one job means only good things for the other tanks.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Btw you say this, but do you even raid? PLD and GNB are the "best" tanks right now.

That isn't the issue though. Fixing a skill on one job means only good things for the other tanks.

Do *you* even raid? DRK is the best MT and PLD is the best OT, there's absolutely zero competition on this matter. PLD has such a huge amount of raid utility and DRK is the undisputed king of mitigation with TBN.

[DWolfwood]

Go ahead and see a certain site and see how many people clear E4s and TEA with DRK and compare it with GNB then tell me back GNB is the "best" tank right now.

And no this is not fixing its just upgrading and making DRK anymore stronger than this will only make WAR and GNB less desired more than they are now, and i'm saying this from a SCH main that do clear e4s with PLD, DRK and GNB and several other jobs already, just so you know that i'm not even the slightest want DRK to be bad, it's just OP enough as it is.

First of all... who is even talking about last tier? Secondly, check said website and you'll see GNB is dominating the top, with PLD just behind.

Do *you* even raid? DRK is the best MT and PLD is the best OT, there's absolutely zero competition on this matter. PLD has such a huge amount of raid utility and DRK is the undisputed king of mitigation with TBN.

I just came back from a 3 year break and cleared most the tier in a couple days. Quit after A8S, came back for O4S, took another break and here I am. Yes, I raid and do know what I'm talking about.

..and DRK is not an undisputed tank??? It's an okay tank, yeah. TBN is great, lowest DPS but not by much, and has the worst invuln. That literally sums up DRK.

Again though... this isn't about ranking the tanks. They all got problems, and Living Dead is DRK's biggest.

[Lucy_Pyre]

DRK is not an undisputed tank??? It's an okay tank

No, DRK is absolutely 100% the undisputed kind of mitigation. TBN is so ungodly, ridiculously, brokenly powerful. The skill is legitimately insanely strong. The only non-invuln skill that is capable of comparing in terms of damage mitigation with TBN is Nascent Flash, and even then only when you're able to dump a certain amount of burst damage into the cooldown since the healing is directly tied to your damage dealt for the buff's duration. This means that while Nascent Flash is capable of surpassing TBN in very specific situations, in terms of overall average strength TBN wins out over it. TBN mitigates well over 40,000 damage on a tank in current gear, and although you can't use it completely on cooldown as DRK cannot sustain their mana regeneration to do that, it's entirely feasible to use the skill every 30 seconds if necessary. So we have a potential 40k (MINIMUM, but probably even more depending on tank HP) damage mitigated every 30 seconds with TBN. To contrast this, in order for Vengeance/Shadow Wall/Nebula/Sentinel (what is generally considered most tank's strongest non-invuln cooldowns) to mitigate a comparable amount of damage, a tank would have to take a hit of at least around 150,000 damage for their 30% mitigation skill to mitigate 45,000 damage of that hit. Now, while I know that there are a handful of busters in the game that do hit that hard, they are very few an far between. Moreover; those respective 30% mitigation cooldowns each have a recast of two minutes. This means that in the time that you can use those cooldowns to mitigate one instance of that amount of damage, you can use TBN to do the same at a minimum of four times, and probably even more accurately five or six. So, frankly, yes, DRK is the completely undisputed king of mitigation. No skill comes close to how much raw mitigation over the course of a fight TBN provides. To try and argue otherwise is simply objectively incorrect.