We really need to talk about Living Dead

[Bravely_Default]

As somebody that has cleared every savage fight in shadow bringers I can tell you that LD is pretty bad. None of the other 3 tanks "always" require healer intervention because in the case of a buster into tank swap (E1S, E4S, E6S, E8S 1st phase) the healer doesn't need to immediately focus on the tank not getting hit anymore if it is a war,pld, or gnb. if you have a dark knight, that dark knight has to be healed for that 100% total in addition to healing follow up mechanics for the group and the new main tank. by it's design, the dark knight's skill creates "HP debt" that has to be repayed in full. Gunbreaker's basically is "costs 99.99% of your hp for a big invuln window", paladin is "free god mode", warrior is "too angry to die" the latter 3 skills are more user friendly in that the cost is either up front or come without a cost to not die during their windows. As somebody that has been a tank main for the better part of 6 years I fall into the same crowd that I would almost rather see all tank invulns removed if they can't figure out what to do with dark knight's big cooldown.

[Miminming]

First of all... who is even talking about last tier? Secondly, check said website and you'll see GNB is dominating the top, with PLD just behind.

I just came back from a 3 year break and cleared most the tier in a couple days. Quit after A8S, came back for O4S, took another break and here I am. Yes, I raid and do know what I'm talking about.

..and DRK is not an undisputed tank??? It's an okay tank, yeah. TBN is great, lowest DPS but not by much, and has the worst invuln. That literally sums up DRK.

Again though... this isn't about ranking the tanks. They all got problems, and Living Dead is DRK's biggest.

Um... No only you talking about the ranking of the tank and you especially only seeing the DPS number, GNB may have better DPS but GNB is never ever a better MT than DRK and which tier are you talking about!? All past tier is worthless to be debate right now... and no you don't know enough what are you talking about because DRK IS the undisputed BEST defensive tank which make him the BEST MT.

And again i suggest you look at the certain site and i don't mean DPS number but the number of clear parse on TEA which show the power difference between job since people tend to choose the better job for ultimate, i know few WAR and GNB main who switch to DRK for ultimate. Not saying WAR and GNB is impossible to do, but DRK is just that much OP with TBN.

You need to factor overall healing requirement when discussing the best tank and not blinded by DPS, especially now since DPS difference is minor.

[Miminming]

Oh okay i mistaken e4s and e8s since in jp they call e8s 共鳴4層, my bad there!

but do try to read the atmosphere there...

[DWolfwood]

Um... No only you talking about the ranking of the tank and you especially only seeing the DPS number, GNB may have better DPS but GNB is never ever a better MT than DRK and which tier are you talking about!? All past tier is worthless to be debate right now... and no you don't know enough what are you talking about because DRK IS the undisputed BEST defensive tank which make him the BEST MT.

And again i suggest you look at the certain site and i don't mean DPS number but the number of clear parse on TEA which show the power difference between job since people tend to choose the better job for ultimate, i know few WAR and GNB main who switch to DRK for ultimate. Not saying WAR and GNB is impossible to do, but DRK is just that much OP with TBN.

You need to factor overall healing requirement when discussing the best tank and not blinded by DPS, especially now since DPS difference is minor.

You were the one referencing E4S. Conveniently omitting E8S which has a ludicrous higher amount of PLD than any other tank.

As for Ultimates, yeah I'm not gonna argue TBN makes DRK quite strong in terms of mitigation for those fights, but this isn't about that. Of course the best healers can work with LD and have done so since day one. WAR also used to be able to tank just fine in 4.0 and 2.0, but clearly needed changes as well.

Again, all the tanks need changes. LD is just what DRK needs fixed and it's been that way for 5 years.


Edit -

E8S clear numbers:

PLD - 6162
DRK - 4627
GNB - 3549
WAR - 3048

TEA clear numbers:

PLD - 599
DRK - 561
WAR - 209
GNB - 190

That said, again, this is a poor way of adjusting skills and it's the best way to ensure broken skills never get fixed.

[TheRealQuah]

Firstly, LD is not a bad skill. You and your team plan out when you are going to use it and there's no problems, which is what you should be doing anyway. Learn to communicate. There's no point discussing it's merits outside of raiding, because it literally doesn't matter. Casual content is casual content, you die, so what.

Secondly, on the arguments about MT and OT, what's the point in that discussion? Every combination of tanks can work well in both roles, and it only matters who does what if you are speed running.

[Lyth]

You don't get scored based on how much damage you mitigate, any more than you get scored based on how much enmity you generate. You either live, or you die. That's why invulns trivialise mitigation checks. You can't even begin to discuss anything else until that's out of the way.

[Lucy_Pyre]

You don't get scored based on how much damage you mitigate, any more than you get scored based on how much enmity you generate. You either live, or you die. That's why invulns trivialise mitigation checks. You can't even begin to discuss anything else until that's out of the way.

More damage mitigated = less healing done by the healers = more DPS done by the healers = faster & better clears = more mitigated is better.

[cactuarzzzz]

More damage mitigated = less healing done by the healers = more DPS done by the healers = faster & better clears = more mitigated is better.

And yet someone still don't realize how LD required more healing than other invuls.

[Lucy_Pyre]

And yet someone still don't realize how LD required more healing than other invuls.

I'm honestly just so tired of reading complains by GCBTW players who aren't even capable of stringing together a halfway passable rotation, let alone understanding how laughably easy it is for a healer to clear Walking Dead without even burning all of their resources.

[cactuarzzzz]

I'm honestly just so tired of reading complains by GCBTW players who aren't even capable of stringing together a halfway passable rotation, let alone understanding how laughably easy it is for a healer to clear Walking Dead without even burning all of their resources.

Says the one who don't main the healer, Let alone handling all the healing in end game.