My experience as a DPS and my issue with tanks

[Mavrias]

If dps want this, they need to stop starting dps when the tank runs through the first group with nothing but an overpower. Machinists need to not blow a Drill on a single mob and pull it off when they could wait and use a bio-blaster. Nine times out of ten, when i see staggered pulls, it's because the tank has to stop and retake aggro from some stupid dps who starts dps too soon (and blows all their heavy hits early anyway).

Literally why would you stop before the pull is done. If a dps pulls off one mob its no big deal. They can take an auto or two from a trash mob. Just pick it back up once you've pulled everything that's gonna get pulled. Threat is trivial. A single overpower (or tomahawk if its truly that far away) is more than enough.

[Jojoya]

This isn't really a problem in ShB though. Aggro has been super easy to gain

Server ticks can get in the way of gaining initial aggro though. I watch it happen often when I'm tanking. I'll run to the middle of a group, use an AoE and the name plate color will show one or two of the enemies engaged but still not claimed. It's especially annoying when it's a mob that was closer to me than the ones that are claimed.

I don't want to run off and have those enemies end up on top of a healer or DPS (which happens to me while healing occasionally if the tank is careless while pulling). To make sure they're all focused on me, I'll stop to make certain they're in proper AoE range and AoE at least once more if not twice before I move to the next group. If they all show claimed by my initial AoE, then I'll move on right away.

Provoke has that CD so generally I'll use my ranged attack to get aggro on strays. As long as I'm doing it just after they're engaged, they'll snap to me. I only need to use Provoke if a DPS has been tunnelng an enemy and keeping it pulled away from the group.

Literally why would you stop before the pull is done. If a dps pulls off one mob its no big deal. They can take an auto or two from a trash mob. Just pick it back up once you've pulled everything that's gonna get pulled. Threat is trivial. A single overpower (or tomahawk if its truly that far away) is more than enough.

You mean run back the 60 yards I had just traveled because the DPS is mindlessly standing back where the first group was as they take a beating from that enemy tunneled?

No thanks, I'd rather make certain I'm bringing that enemy with me in the first place.

[Liam_Harper]

This is interesting to me. As a WoW refugee, that really isn't much of an issue in WoW. Constant pull is pretty common in dungeons over there, especially in mythics.

Just shows how different the combat in FF14 is.

Indeed, I'd imagine anyone pulling like this has come over from WoW and is running on muscle memory.

In WoW this type of pull is called "Chain pulling" and is most optimal, where you take as many mobs as you can survive, the group burns a few off (particularly key targets), then when the pack is no longer threatening you keep on the move to the next pack(s).

This doesn't work well in FF14 because we aren't very mobile and combat is not fluid, dps on a running mob is clunky for melee with server ticks causing attacks not to register. Dps don't get more sprint cd's than tanks. We have combos that break while WoW has aoe to mash. In WoW it's constant movement through the dungeon that flows which is important on timed runs. It actually highlights just how clunky ff14 combat really is.

[Rilifane]

Another issue with chain pulling in FFXIV compared to WoW and similiar games is that mob movement is inconsistent. Some mobs move faster than others, some stand still to cast something, the differently sized hitboxes cause some weird wiggling around from mobs even on the run so that makes targeting and aoeing on the run even more difficult.
The way mobs move, aoes and cooldowns are designed just heavily favours pulling everything and than standing as still as possible to kill it. It's a very clear "move to pull, stand still to dps".

Stop and go pulls might be muscle memory from WoW and similiar games but sometimes it's simply poor gameplay because they can't decide beforehand what they want. Once they decided on a pull size they need to stick with it. Even if they feel the current pull is to small, kill it and pull bigger next time. But adjusting pull size while the current pull still gets aoed is a really, really bad idea.

[Rae88]

We have combos that break while WoW has aoe to mash

Which is actually a good thing imo. Ret Paladin has a total of about 6 buttons in their rotation which gets really boring really quickly. Fury warrior has about 8. Havoc Demon Hunter has maybe 5 or 6. Beastmaster Hunters just mash the kill button then off they go to Netflix.

I like that FFXIV has combos thank you I wish WoW had combos :P

[Quintessa]

Another issue with chain pulling in FFXIV compared to WoW and similiar games is that mob movement is inconsistent. Some mobs move faster than others, some stand still to cast something, the differently sized hitboxes cause some weird wiggling around from mobs even on the run so that makes targeting and aoeing on the run even more difficult.
The way mobs move, aoes and cooldowns are designed just heavily favours pulling everything and than standing as still as possible to kill it. It's a very clear "move to pull, stand still to dps".

Stop and go pulls might be muscle memory from WoW and similiar games but sometimes it's simply poor gameplay because they can't decide beforehand what they want. Once they decided on a pull size they need to stick with it. Even if they feel the current pull is to small, kill it and pull bigger next time. But adjusting pull size while the current pull still gets aoed is a really, really bad idea.

Took a lot of practice to get the big mobs to do what I want in large pulls, but oh boy was/is it really frustrating at time. The Deadman Dragon pushing his minions all over the place because "you in my yard".

[Vyrerus]

Chain pulling in XIV has always been bad. Before SHB it was terrible for TP on top of CD usage. Nowadays it's terrible, because of CD usage and also there's clear, walled off areas, and most DPS aren't highly mobile to move through most the dungeon while DPSing.

I kind of wish they'd do more dungeons like Baelsar's Wall, Amanesis Anyder, and Aetherochemical Research Facility. Have more sections where the monsters come to you, rather than always laying it on the tank to decide how many of the monsters we're going to go up against. I love the whole moving elevator or falling platform thing where wave after wave appears.

[Deceptus]

If dps want this, they need to stop starting dps when the tank runs through the first group with nothing but an overpower. Machinists need to not blow a Drill on a single mob and pull it off when they could wait and use a bio-blaster. Nine times out of ten, when i see staggered pulls, it's because the tank has to stop and retake aggro from some stupid dps who starts dps too soon (and blows all their heavy hits early anyway).

Pretty much this. Latency sucks in this game and while you think you have them all a tank might have missed one. Then you get that trigger happy DPS who refuses to stay close to the tank and then complains when THEY have aggro that THEY can't manage.

[Awha]

With more players from WoW coming to the gsme chain pulling will be seen more often, just tell them to keep running and gather more mobs, pull them along with rescue if need be. Sooner or later they will get the message that due to pur clunky class design chain pulling blows.