Leaving duty debuff issue

[Vidu]

But that's the thing. At the current point in time I am entirely confident with providing dungeon-skill-level mentoring. Battle basics, how to handle boss gimmicks, whatever. I'd be happy to step into a mentor role at this level BUT I cannot at this point do EX trials, therefore I cannot mentor them, therefore I cannot participate in being a mentor at any level without possibly landing in a trial I cannot do and would have to leave.

I'd disagree with that - even if you cant help them with that specific trial, you can still fullfill your mentor role in an EX-trial: Simply by giving them the information the game has been withholding from them (as you noted yourself). Educating them about their options - unsych, PF, either watching a guide before attempting these trials or looking specifically for a party to run it blind - is valuable information that they most likely dont have. Maybe you wont get them the clear, but you'll have taught them something more than mechanics and achieved more than getting them their clear.

Personally I feel confident to attempt most EX-trials in mentor roulette, but even I will always tell the group at first that this isnt DF-content, that they should try unsych or PF instead - but that we can give it a go anyways. Sometimes we clear the trial (thats usually when I repeat that this still isnt meant for DF and that they'll have better success using another option), sometimes we dont. Either way I believe the most valuable piece of information I gave them is not that you need to tank-swap at a specific point but that there are better ways to do EX-trials. Thats information that anyone can give out.

(I still wouldnt mind a special roulette with the difficult stuff in it - but until then I dont think anyone should shy away from the roulette because they're worried they wont be able to clear Thordan EX with a bunch of newbies. I mean, you wont, but you'll still be able to give them good advice!)

[LaylaTsarra]

*Waves* Hello

Unfortunately what will happen is many mentors will start leaving extreme trials and longer duties while grinding the roulette for their mount :P

Remove the mount given that's what many are doing it for and could care less about mentoring.

You leave a duty you get a time out. That's normal and the OP isn't some special snowflake that gets a free pass to leave. There is always the option to ask for an abandon and that's up to group to grant that or not.

[HeulGDarian]

Remove the mount given that's what many are doing it for and could care less about mentoring.

You leave a duty you get a time out. That's normal and the OP isn't some special snowflake that gets a free pass to leave. There is always the option to ask for an abandon and that's up to group to grant that or not.

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

[Tsaranoga]

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

[HeulGDarian]

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

So even though i try my hardest to help during mentor rlt , the fact that i want the mount means i should get the middle finger. ok

[Vidu]

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

I enjoy helping and teaching people and everytime I queue up for the mentor roulette I only do so when I'm feeling up to an hour of wiping to any given EX-primal or spending an hour in MSQ-cutscenes. However, having the mount as a carrot is a nice addition to that - whenever I feel bored and in the right mood (aka: patient and helpful), I'll queue up for mentor roulette, thinking "Well, lets see what I get and if I can make some progress on those achievements". Wanting to be helpful and wanting the mount dont exclude each other - personally I'd say my motivation is split 70/30, with the mount being more of an after thought.
I'm studying to become a teacher, because, as I said, I like teaching people - thats my main motivation here, as it should be. But you know, getting a decent salary at the end doesnt hurt either - should I drop my career-choice, because I'm not only motivated to teach kids but also because I'm getting a decent pay for it?

[LaylaTsarra]

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

There doesn't need to be a reward to be a mentor. The mentoring should be the reward. You know fully well what the reality is relative to why many do it and it's NOT MENTORING! I run tons of duties on my main and on many different alts and I can't say I've ever seen a mentor actually try and mentor.

[HeulGDarian]

I enjoy helping and teaching people and everytime I queue up for the mentor roulette I only do so when I'm feeling up to an hour of wiping to any given EX-primal or spending an hour in MSQ-cutscenes. However, having the mount as a carrot is a nice addition to that - whenever I feel bored and in the right mood (aka: patient and helpful), I'll queue up for mentor roulette, thinking "Well, lets see what I get and if I can make some progress on those achievements". Wanting to be helpful and wanting the mount dont exclude each other - personally I'd say my motivation is split 70/30, with the mount being more of an after thought.
I'm studying to become a teacher, because, as I said, I like teaching people - thats my main motivation here, as it should be. But you know, getting a decent salary at the end doesnt hurt either - should I drop my career-choice, because I'm not only motivated to teach kids but also because I'm getting a decent pay for it?

nooo you misunderstood , he isnt like us toxic mentors who want the mount and do our best to help, he can tell SE should give us the middle finger . He just wants to improve the game and the community by simply purging the filth that we mentors are.

There doesn't need to be a reward to be a mentor. The mentoring should be the reward. You know fully well what the reality is relative to why many do it and it's NOT MENTORING! I run tons of duties on my main and on many different alts and I can't say I've ever seen a mentor actually try and mentor.

ive reached daily limit so ill have to edit my response in here.

But i am trying and im trying really hard to mentor people. Mentoring people isnt easy , like i said language barriers, toxicity against mentors , ignoring advice, and the anti improvement philosophy alot of players have are all problems a mentor has to go through . Im not a mentor therefore i am kind and helpful , i was kind and helpful before therefore i became a mentor and the game simply said that if i help at least 6000 people i can get a mount something that as a mount collector i wanted , the same goes for assholes mentorship didnt turn those people into assholes they were assholes from the very beginning , case and point tsaranoga saying with confidence that all mentors should get the middle finger from SE . The thing is i am a good mentor , i have friends who are also good mentors , and i have friends who are good and helpful that want to be mentors and want that mount.


Im tired of being insulted simply cause i have a crown next to my name and people asking from SE that they should remove the reward they put for the effort this achievement needs. All this just cause you people met some unrelated person who was an asshole therefore i should also be one.

[KageTokage]

I like teaching people how to do extremes if they can catch on reasonably quickly and follow instructions...but that's proven be more of the exception then the norm.

It doesn't help that execution of mechanics is only one part of the equation and there's no guarantees they're playing their class/role well, particularly when it comes to healers and tanks (Overhealing and not mitigating properly are the main issues I tend I encounter).

[TyrTry]

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Im tired of being insulted simply cause i have a crown next to my name and people asking from SE that they should remove the reward they put for the effort this achievement needs. All this just cause you people met some unrelated person who was an asshole therefore i should also be one.

I think you're taking this too personally, bud. Nobody should be insulting you nor giving you the finger. That's wrong and I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

As for the mount, the argument is that there shouldn't be a mount just to coax players into being mentors. Unfortunately, the mount has attracted a series of players who care not for the responsibility of being a mentor, and only want the crown and mount and any new players are just a hindrance to that objective.

These are type of players that has insulted the purpose of mentoring and why people feel they should be held at a higher level of penalties for negating those responsibilities.

I don't mind the mount, but you shouldn't get it just because you ran a number of roulettes, because you could have not helped a single person the whole time and just been an arse.

I'm not saying you personally. If you are the good mentor you claim to be, then still be that. Goodness knows we need them.