How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[ItMe]

Yup! Like last night for example, running Aurum Vale with a Tank Warrior sprout. The player never used Overpower, he/she only used provoke up until 2/3rd of the dungeon when finally he/she used Mythril Tempest, and most probably he/she didn't know about the morbol fruit mechanics, at one time accruing 7 stacks of burrow debuff--the 1st time I've ever seen it happening to someone. He/she died, ofc, on the 1st boss, and then gets whacked to oblivion on the Cyclops boss, lol, and the last boss he/she didn't fare any better. Poor guy/gal.

My Scholar friend couldn't believe what we were seeing, and coming from a Warrior main who is now using WHM and DNC, I just found the sprout's eccentricities to be so funny, I was laughing my arse off the entire dungeon. One other Machinist PUG, bless his/her heart, stood on throughout even though we wiped so many times due to Tank's doing crazy shit, but that's probably because he/she's too lazy to dutyfind another Aurum Vale, lol.

I gave the warrior commendation just for kicks, lol, and perhaps to soothe his/her demoralizing heart for having played the class so badly, hahaha.

Truly, the highlight of my dungeon runs yesterday. I was so entertained by it I recorded it on my PS4, hahaha.

Oh yeah, I saw your story in the Tales From the Duty Finder thread! I read it off to my fiance and we had a good laugh.

[Doozer]

I have been playing since the beginning and the thing that has changed the most (that I have noticed) and bugs me a lot is how we used to be able to go into a dungeon “blind” (beyond the first day) and NOT have others jump down your throat for not watching a video first. It is fun to do a dungeon the first time as a surprise. But unless it is within the first couple of days of a patch, people expect you to have read a guide and watched the video and the video guide...so you better know the fight even before you set foot inside. There have been times when you get a great group who are up for the fun of it, but too many players these days treat this game as a job and a few extra minutes is just too much to ask. It is sad because it is supposed to be fun.

Yeah totally. That's why I really enjoyed Trusts being added, because I could just jump into a dungeon and learn it by myself without spoiling everything just because someone else wants to rush through it. It can be annoying when someone doesn't know what to do in a duty, but if it's their first time it's fine. It's when they've done it before that makes it a problem. For whatever reason people really want to do everything in this game really fast. Maybe because they pay to play?

[Driavna]

I have been playing since the beginning and the thing that has changed the most (that I have noticed) and bugs me a lot is how we used to be able to go into a dungeon “blind” (beyond the first day) and NOT have others jump down your throat for not watching a video first. It is fun to do a dungeon the first time as a surprise. But unless it is within the first couple of days of a patch, people expect you to have read a guide and watched the video and the video guide...so you better know the fight even before you set foot inside. There have been times when you get a great group who are up for the fun of it, but too many players these days treat this game as a job and a few extra minutes is just too much to ask. It is sad because it is supposed to be fun.

My experience is totally different to this for any content but savage and extreme. Other players only explain what to do if necessary or asked.

[Veis_Alveare]

My experience is totally different to this for any content but savage and extreme. Other players only explain what to do if necessary or asked.

I'd agree.

There's generally not even any time to explain things to people in content outside of EX+, it's usually a matter of the gate dropping and the tank running off. I'm not saying that as a negative, just a statement.

As to the post this responded to initially (NekoHina) if you're bothered by people explaining what went wrong after there have already been wipes I'm not sure where that comes from. Everyone has the opportunity to run content blind as it comes out, if you really expect 3/7/23 other random players to not attempt to smooth things out once they're going south I think you'd be better served by a single player game of some sort. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, more just preemptively address a common complaint from people I've seen with similar views in the past.

I suppose the thing that's been changing for me most recently is an understanding of how uneducated many people are on even the base mechanics of XIV. I joined an FC that has a lot of newer or less experienced players and they're all nice people but some of them just dont even grasp things I kind of thought were common knowledge like the idea of a GCD. I've always been someone who likes to read up on video games I'm playing or even games I'm thinking of picking up so researching XIV came kind of naturally.

Honestly I can say I've seen some real improvement from some people when they're introduced to the idea of how gameplay is structured and the idea of what respectable dps in a pug group looks. It's been a positive experience overall, both because it let me see that not all people who are playing poorly are doing it to be inconsiderate and because it's helped improve some of their performance, but it also just makes me realize how easily someone might fall through the cracks.

If everyone who sees an ice mage just.... doesn't say anything, yeah, I can imagine that person making it into my expert roulette now. Much as it may suck to negotiate around the awful ToS I think any competent player is in a way responsible for the bottom of the barrel, at least if they ever find themselves complaining about the state of things. It's up to everyone to get the community to a better place and people doing a bad job won't know about it unless they're informed. The game never gives any sort of feedback beyond "you cleared another dungeon/trial! Good job have a cookie!" so... we probably should.

[SturmChurro]

I am so EXHAUSTED with dealing with people now. I just remembered why I just play this game solo, why I never bothered to look for a guild, people. Yeah, I'm venting. I've been running groups in Borzja for going on a good 3 weeks now, maybe I've just been having bad days lately. I never even wanted to start running parties in the first place. I just always get put into leadership positions, I hate it. I always try to make the farms work for everyone there. I genuinely feel bad when things don't work out. Don't get me wrong, just like Eureka I've met some fun people here and there, but in general people are very combative. It can be a literal minefield to try to actually try and chat with people.

I don't know. I'm not really adding too much context here. I just waste hours. upon hours, upon hours doing things SOLELY for other people, because I want things to work out. I hate leaving things unfinished, things should be done right, and end well. Guess my time doesn't matter. Whatever. Not much of a rant I guess.

[LisSquid]

If anything, my mindset has changed as I have. 2020 was rough, and it made me a more patient person who is trying to be conscious of my effect on others. I am no longer grinding my teeth when the mentor with his ultimate legend title dies to the same mechanic again, again. I will ditch the group to explain mechanics to the sprout who asked what they need to do. I'll just laugh at people losing their minds in party chat, someone that would have been me a few years ago.

As an aside, why are people blaming WoW and ESO for pure healers? If your healer dps parse isn't up to snuff on either game you get culled. Been that way for years.

[Vahlnir]

As an aside, why are people blaming WoW and ESO for pure healers? If your healer dps parse isn't up to snuff on either game you get culled. Been that way for years.

Because WoW is an easy scapegoat for them. If it isn't FF XIV, it is seen as a threat to their perfect game. It's strange, really. WoW players will relatively often say "WoW sucks, go play FF XIV". But when WoW is mentioned at all in FF XIV, it is quickly trash talked and dismissed. For some, they must simply feel superior.

[Reinha]

Me as a noob: pewpew I'm a bard, world of darkness looks bad ass! What did I die to? These people are so helpful.

Me now: the world is diverse and full of beautiful colors like a rainbow. Let's see which shade of the spectrum we get today in the DF. It's ok, we were all new at some point. I'll give them tips like I got when I was struggling. Oh you want to go at walking speed because going fast is too stressful? Just great. I'm having SO MUCH FUN. Here goes my big cooldown. On a 2 mob pull. Yay.

Me in a practice party: I suck at this game. Sorry again.

Me in a clear party after many failed attempts: can you people play properly for once in your life so we can be done with this??

Me in a farm party: this is smooth as butter, bless the devs for [Duty Complete].

[Ayuhra]

When I started I was a terrible player. These days I speak the game's language a bit better. I've seen enough optional bosses to guess how mechanics work on fights I'm seeing for the first time... But I'm probably still one of those lol bad casuals people snicker about. Probably. Whenever I hear people talking about how there are folks who probably shouldn't play FFXIV I get spooked out of tackling any endgame relevant activities.

So my mindset towards other players has evolved from being awe-struck by good players and feeling kinship with new ones to ...being nervous around good players and sympathetic towards people still learning.

[Gameovers]

When I first started I'll never forget being in Ul'dah, messing with my HUD layout and stuff. Playing with emotes and I turn to see this midlander woman. Just standing there, she beamed at me and my heart melted. Then I wondered how she knew I was new. I didn't know about the leaf until she pointed to it. Everyone I met was so nice and huggy. It was funny and odd as people were way too nice. It was just funny. Then I jumped on the forums and saw all the hot topics and debates. Then I hit endgame and met people who actted more normal.

Now I'm jaded as hell which is mostly thanks to the forums and reddit. I kindof want my old outlook back now, things were way more innocent then. Now I just notice how everyone is quiet until things buck up. Or just in the mode of reading people fight on the nets cause who wants pets when we can shame and scream. Least Balmung provides the trolls and random debate ingame which is always funny to read. Even better when you qoute " We're sorry you're not happy with the bag, the bag in the mediawas a prototype and was too expensive to make. We aren't planning on doing anything about it" They instantly reply when that's said in chat xD