Thread: The potential problem with low level Roulettes in 6.0

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I personally think level 30 is way too soon to throw everything at new players. Especially since FFXIV deals heavily with the class system still for the first 30 levels. In addition to it making no sense in terms of the lore (imagine an ARC pulling a bow randomly to use a BRD skill before they ever evolve into a BRD), it would also overwhelm baby players. FFXIV very heavily caters to people that aren’t as experience in MMOs. I know I was overwhelmed when I was new back in HW, as someone who had never played MMOs before. Having an entire toolkit thrown at me in the first 30 levels would have been nerve-racking lol.

I think level 50 is the bare minimum for your basic kit. Everything after that should build upon it in terms of either upgrades/masteries, or new capstone skills that feel rewarding to get at the end of a current expansion or level cap.



The strength aspect could easily be mitigated by mastery traits. At higher levels, you could gain mastery traits that boost your damage output. This actually used to be the case with the other jobs—they would get things like Dexterity Mastery for the physical ranged that would boost their base level of damage output.

Ah, they are called mastery traits >.< Yeah I meant them! That could also prevent high level players from facerolling through the content when they have their full toolkit. Old players would have the kit they are used to and new players would have the oppurtunity to learn it without it beeing too powerful. The strengh would be the leveling progress in the higher level regions instead of skills you have early on. I would like that idea

Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Yes, the lack of a full toolkit is an issue - I frankly think that classes should be largely complete by about level 30 (this is the same pacing WoW uses, and it feels right), with the occasional bump here and there as you progress.

However, IMO the bigger thing that turns new people off to this game is that FFXIV has its priorities WAY skewed compared to the norm when it comes to GCD vs. positioning. In most normal MMORPGs, the GCD is much faster, in some cases demanding a frenetic level of play in order to master a rotation. By contrast, positioning demands (how many AOEs or ground effects or whatever a boss throws) are greatly reduced. This - coupled with ubiquitous damage meters - allows players to better gauge personal performance based upon the numbers they are generating, rather than some nebulous "I dodged XYZ movement mechanic, so I'm awesome" criteria. More succinctly: players learn to play their classes well, instead of necessarily playing boss mechanics well.

I'm not trashing FFXIV - I am obviously here, playing the game. But the slow speed of the GCD paired with the almost silly "dance" players have to perform on every single boss (let alone every trash pull), plus almost no way (aside from a few clumsy meters that SE has prohibited) for players to measure themselves against each other, is a real turnoff for people who have become accustomed to the other way of doing things. Basically, FFXIV feels really, really slow and lazy for the first 45 or so levels, and you cannot expect people to just buckle down and fight through it to get to the "good stuff" (especially when I am not convinced that the raid/dungeon experience offered here - emphasis on movement and all - is actually superior to competing products [and, certainly, it's downright lame compared to newer combat such as what you see in Black Desert... though the rest of the BDO experience sucks]).

I think level 30 would be bit to early :3 My suggestion would be the absolut core until 30...for people to get used to...everything! For some ff14 is their first mmo And from 30- 50 adding the meat of the job And after that...subtleties like mastery traits

I'll be the odd ball, I like things the way they are for the most part. I scratch my head at a couple of things..

Why AST can use Diurnal at 30, but no Aspected Benefic til 34? Diurnal literally offers nothing until then o_o. There's no reason to turn it on in Haukke Manor for example.

Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

My question would be what makes the combat slow for them. Did they come from a game or MMO with fast-paced combat like BDO?

Also, they have said many times they will be shortening ARR content by about 20 or so quests. That's a great start!

Ooo, ARR has way more than that though.

No issues rolling old connection, I don't have all jobs at 80. You could just choice not to do this connect. Personally I don't mind rolling the sub 30 connect because I can ¹/2 zone out while watching Netflix. If I want fast paced content, there is savage or games without cooldown presay

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I suppose because, during HW, Diurnal actually gave you more than just access to regens. It had passive enmity reduction and also gave faster recast and a small healing boost (like 5%). If I remember correctly. Noct gave +10% healing boost but no faster recast.

HW Start :

Diurnal : 5% cast and recast time
Noct : 5% healing spell increase

Later on : (~3.2 to 3.4)

Enmity reduction on both
Noct 5 => 10

Then in SB :

Diurnal : 10% healing
Nocturnal : 15% healing

(I know it's detail, but the idea is here, it used to have another purpose before that was not only adding a side effect to aspected benefic).
Now they could give both diurnal and aspected benefic at the same time (just like scholar getting aetherflow and lustrate in lvl45)