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    Complaint about NIN from a Healer:

    Can we please change the buff icon for Doton?

    It looks too much like Doom, and in fact the words "Doton" and "Doom" look rather similar at a quick glance, and sometimes when NINs use Doton, it sends me into a split second of panic of trying to heal a NIN that doesn't need healed because I mistake "Doton" for "Doom", esp when I've yet to realize we have a NIN in the DPS, if I'm not expecting it.

    I think changing the buff icon would go a long way to reducing this. Perhaps change the blue in the icon to brown, maybe?
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    That is an incredible weird request, even more so considering that the ammount of fights that have doom is limited and is very scriped. However i will agree that some options to actually manage icons would be a great QoL improvement, as a MNK it fucking sucks having to scan half of my screen to check for buffs and missing them because they look so dam similar (Twin snakes for example). Justa way to sort them would be nice as in personal bufs are always first then party buffs.
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    Last edited by reyre; 06-25-2020 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    It looks too much like Doom, and in fact the words "Doton" and "Doom" look rather similar at a quick glance, and sometimes when NINs use Doton, it sends me into a split second of panic of trying to heal a NIN that doesn't need healed because I mistake "Doton" for "Doom", esp when I've yet to realize we have a NIN in the DPS, if I'm not expecting it.
    But you should always be expecting Doom. It only ever occurs in specific content and is always scripted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    But you should always be expecting Doom. It only ever occurs in specific content and is always scripted.
    I know, but sometimes when I'm tired, and I'm a healer, esp in dungeons I haven't done for awhile, I don't remember what all a boss does and I see a Doton icon popping up, it catches me off-guard sometimes.
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    Buffs and Debuffs are pentagon shaped.
    The buffs points upwards while the debuff points downward.

    On top of that, Doom is black and red, doton is black, red and purple/pink at the top of the icon.

    The shape + the colors should be enough to make the difference, unless you are about to pass out from exhaustion which in this case... Get some rest.
    Other people also mentionned it, Doom is scripted and never appear at random, only selected random targets.
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Just let people die from Doom.
    In most cases, they can either cleanse it themselves of they did that to themselves and deserve to die.
    Remove Esuna from your hotbar.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    On top of that, Doom is black and red, doton is black, red and purple/pink at the top of the icon.
    i mean OP could be colorblind, which i could see being an issue

    but yes, if the "arrow" is pointing up its never going to be doom. moreover cleansable debuffs have a white bar on top, and the only normal (not ex/savage) duty where doom is cleansed from topping hp is wanderers palace hard i think

    basically op you shouldn't worry that much, and just look at the shape of the buff/debuff if the colors are an issue
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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    Just let people die from Doom.
    In most cases, they can either cleanse it themselves of they did that to themselves and deserve to die.
    Remove Esuna from your hotbar.
    In most cases, Doom is unavoidable. It's also very often only removed by healing the target to 100% health or a healer casting Esuna, not something most players can do on their own. I.e. The mechanics where Doom is cleansed by the target on their own or can be avoided are the exception. Angry Man doom can be avoided or if received is self-healed by standing on a platform, and terrorsaur doom is unavoidable but self-healed by standing on a platform. These are the only 2 that come to mind, although I might be missing one somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    That is an incredible weird request, even more so considering that the ammount of fights that have doom is limited and is very scriped. However i will agree that some options to actually manage icons would be a great QoL improvement, as a MNK it fucking sucks having to scan half of my screen to check for buffs and missing them because they look so dam similar (Twin snakes for example). Justa way to sort them would be nice as in personal bufs are always first then party buffs.
    I'd personally prefer if Leaden Fist (& maybe Twin Snakes) could be added to the job gauge in some way. A small fist icon that lights up would be helpful akin to how Dark Arts lights up for DRK. Nothing worse overwriting Leaden Fist because there was 12 other buffs on my bar...
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    Maeka Blazewing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora_Oathkeeper View Post
    I'd personally prefer if Leaden Fist (& maybe Twin Snakes) could be added to the job gauge in some way. A small fist icon that lights up would be helpful akin to how Dark Arts lights up for DRK. Nothing worse overwriting Leaden Fist because there was 12 other buffs on my bar...
    ^^
    This, too.

    I feel that would be rather easy to implement, perhaps have a big hologram of a fist appearing behind the bar when you have Leaden Fists or something, lol. But I've also wished for that too while I was leveling MNK. But now that it's 80, I don't play it much but doesn't stop me from hoping that they do something like that someday.
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