Thread: Changes I would like to see in 6.0

I don't think I have ever so thoroughly disagreed with an OP's post before. And before anyone gets on me for my classes, this isn't my main anymore.

Outside of the swiftcast charges and the DPS abilities coming back, none of these are good ideas.

Originally Posted by Videra

I don't think I have ever so thoroughly disagreed with an OP's post before. And before anyone gets on me for my classes, this isn't my main anymore.

Outside of the swiftcast charges and the DPS abilities coming back, none of these are good ideas.

Yep literally hit the spot. Also i need to say this isnt something that casual players disagree on hardcore ones disagree as well. The thing is that the most knowledgable ones dont spam the forums or take them seriously theyll say their piece then move on, only the loud and obnoxious keep coming back like me OwO. Cause of the unreasonable fear that the stupidity in the forums Will infect the devs, something that shb changes. No w8 that doesnt sound right, the shb chainsaw gutting of most Jobs doesnt help.

Swiftcast change = Good
Nope to everything else.

Critical Mass will basically just force people to use it on cooldown regardless of anti-kb effects because dps gain. You can very well just remove Surecast from the game at this point, since you'll just press this button for the dps gain anway.

I'd rather have them revamp and put Selene back into Scholar as a dps buff fairy, and bring back buff extensions and Virus for Astro.
I'd rather have them bring back more buttons period, rather than remove buttons to add more buttons.

Rez is already punishing in fights that have dps checks due to how much dps loss actual dying is and Weakness/Brink of Death is.
People don't go into Savage looking to die, or get hit by a mechanic that gives them a large amount of damage down, so this really just affects normal casual content(24 mans, dungeons, normal trials and normal raids).

If you want people to care about not dying in casual content, make casual content more punishing. Put an actual dps check and an enrage in most normal content. and force duty roulettes to be played at min ilvl.
Have people NOT be able to just faceroll casual content, and require people to actually do their rotations, be aware of AoEs and optimize DPS.

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Originally Posted by Sedalia

Seems like someone wants to get roasted. First of all you are a level 80 dancer main commenting on a healer forum about healers on what they should or should not do like you actually know how to play our job. Just because you have a level 80 dancer you have no right to talk about healers...

Also OP, you shouldn't insult anyone for commenting on healers when:

• You had a topic that outright said that WAR and DRK can't tank Savage content (along with some salt about why physical ranged is broken)
  
  
• You don't even have a max level job, let alone a max level Healer.
  
• You haven't even done an Extreme raid, let alone a Savage Raid that's relevant on any job (cause you're not max level).

The least you can do is to not attack anyone that's willing to discuss things with you. If you can discuss healing, then all of us can discuss healing.

Originally Posted by Sedalia

First of all you are a level 80 dancer main commenting on a healer forum about healers on what they should or should not do like you actually know how to play our job. Just because you have a level 80 dancer you have no right to talk about healers...

*stares at your "Main Class: Black Mage Lv 51"*

In reference to Semirhage's post above, I concur because one thing I've been continuously pushing and provided ideas and feedback for is to raise the skill ceiling of healers because it has gotten so boring and uninteresting and feels too sanitised.

But I don't think the OP's suggests as a whole even address this issue. I see that was their intention with the resurrection side? But it also creates a load of other problems and the problem highlighted...this is the first I've heard of it being a problem? It's rare I've seen for people to not care and just let healers rez them. Rez spells have a long cast time anyway as a penalty and Swiftcast already has a cooldown. The proposed changed will screw over progression groups, any kind of learning groups, any content that is tougher where deaths are more common.

However, the game also still needs to be accessible, hence my suggestions are generally with the mind of raising the skill ceiling without raising the skill floor, which is possible for them to do.

Originally Posted by Sedalia

Seems like someone wants to get roasted. First of all you are a level 80 dancer main commenting on a healer forum about healers on what they should or should not do like you actually know how to play our job. Just because you have a level 80 dancer you have no right to talk about healers

I feel like I should point out, I'm a level 80 Dancer main too.

But I was a healer main from beta phase 3 of A Realm Reborn all the way around to the end of Stormblood. I had a brief hiatus of maining RDM for a bit. I am a DNC main because I am that dissatisfied as a healer from their changes that I decided I wanted to continue to have fun playing this game. I've also seen I am not the only healer here that's done that and DNC seems to be one of the more popular switches, possibly because it is a support DPS class, so they can at least still tickle their fancy for support.

Then also consider that people play multiple jobs and multiple roles. So I wouldn't take for granted what a person has listed as their main. And certainly don't try to use a person's listed main job against them when yours is a Level 51 Black Mage.


However, I will give my view as a long time healer main.

Swift Cast - I agree. Could be a useful change. Its usefulness is nulled by your raise changes.

Replacing Raises with Ressurection - I'd actually prefer jobs to have their own flavours instead of one unified skill. It adds no advantage but takes flavour. I was against the loss of Leeches and Exalted Detriment. I also disagree that it promotes bad play having raises work the way they do. The knock on effect here would be that SMN and RDM would be a lot more desired for their raises.

But if you're in a progression group for example where everybody is trying but it's just harder mechanics and people are learning the fight, you will get a higher number of deaths, a 30 second cooldown would slow down progression quite a bit, especially if things like enrage timers end up tight.

And I don't see people abuse the fact they can get raised much at all, if hardly ever, so I don't perceive this as an issue. And there already is a penalty on raises, you get 1 swift cast raise and your next one is hard cast and it's a long cast. That's time wasted not DPSing, that's time where the healer may prioritise other people, that's time healer waits for their swift case. If you're a DPS who keeps on dying, chances are the healer will stop wasting their MP on you. But I can also see your attitude is that people who make mistakes in a learning party shouldn't do raid and learn how to play their jobs doesn't feel right because well, you can learn how to play your job perfectly. You still need progression groups to learn raid. Sometimes it helps for a healer to be able to hard cast a raise and keep the party moving. Imagine 3 AoE's, killing 3 players each time in an 8 man learn party, that's at least 1 min 30 of non-DPS time of a player. That's also time they're down when they're not getting a feel for the mechanics they're supposed to be learning. This is versus the minimum of 24 seconds it takes to cast 3 8 second spells. It seems pointless for what I understood to be a rare issue that it'd probably not resolve anyway. The reason I say that is because there is no indication you've surveyed the people dying and people rarely indicate the reason for their death, especially in a 24 man, leaving me to think of potential other reasons why they are dying that'd not be solved and doesn't account players who are content in waiting for a raise. So I am sensing a few false pretenses here.

Aero III - I'd like to see WHM get back, I feel like Fluid Aura should be made useful.
Shadowflare & Bane - I agree having them back.

Critical Mass - This would feel like homogenisation, which is already a problem and would be stepping on SCH's toes IMO.

Making certain abilities into role abilities - again, this further homogenises healers by taking away unique flavours. EG: I didn't feel disadvantaged as SCH not having Lightspeed, nor did I on WHM. But it is a nice ability on AST that has me plan around it and that is one thing that means I play AST differently to SCH or WHM. And AST isn't more powerful for it.