Thread: In 6.0 could we fix the Pet Potencies, please?

Originally Posted by Eloah

I didn't say the potencies were constant, I called them a base with a constant buff. That's why I said they were a bit different. BLM's are usually under a constant buff, both from their stance and Enochian.

You said that in the first part of your post, yes, and I didn't disagree with that.

What I was talking about was when you then veered off into a second statement: "But unlike the pets, since the buff is a constant it becomes irrelevant in the long run, similar to Dragoon's buff." Having potency constancy and thus also being irrelevant in the long run is not unlike pets. They are very much constant. Even more so than Astral Fire since there's no way for bad gameplay to result in the loss of any potency.

I think this is maybe a case of poor grammar resulting in saying something you didn't mean? I.e. without the phrase "but unlike the pets" it just becomes a continuation of your first statement on the buff itself rather than a second statement comparing constancy of Astral Fire buff and pet potencies.

All that said, this difference of buff vs. base potency is still not the main difference between the two. It's that the potency of pet abilities is actually correct, but the output is based off the pet stats and only indirectly off of the character stats.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Is it that the pets have lower stats or is it because the master has Maim and Mend II, which increases healing and damage by 30%?

This was my initial thought as well. These traits theoretically shouldn't carry over to the pet in the same way that self-buffs technically shouldn't. However, with an admittedly small sample size, it appears as though Devotion increases the pet's damage (both auto attacks and egi-assaults) by 4.25%. This is exactly 85% of Devotion's 5% increase. So, if my results are indeed worth their salt, then the Maim & Mend traits should also be carrying over to pet damage/actions.

It really seems like egi damage is a direct 85% of whatever the SMN's damage is, including any buffs or traits that would increase the SMN's.

Consistency is key though. I would 100% appreciate accurate tooltips to show that Crimson Cyclone and Flaming Crush are 212 potency instead of the listed 250. The tooltips could lead you to believe your egi would deal the same 10k damage that you could with a 250 potency ability but it only actually deals 8.5k. That's a notable difference.

However, I would also appreciate egi's going away and transitioning to a 100% uptime of cycled demis - 3 for AoE, 3 for ST, and 3 for buff/solo. Give us Emerald/Ruby/Topaz carbuncles to initialize our demi path out of combat (or to change mid-combat) and have them function the same as a demi would as opposed to how they do now. Basically they would be stances and have their buttons change to their respective demi's to prevent button bloat.

• Emerald Carbuncle active (AoE): Demi-Garuda > Demi-Shiva > (Trance into Demi-Bahamut) > Demi-Garuda.
• Ruby Carbuncle active (ST): Demi-Ifrit > Demi-Ramuh > (Trance into Demi-Phoenix) > Demi-Ifrit.
• Topaz Carbuncle active (Solo/Buff): Demi-Titan > Demi-Leviathan > (Trance into Demi-Alexander) >Demi-titan.

I'd kind of like a FFVII spin to the trances, too, where as we level up perhaps their appearances change a bit - like how there were several Bahamuts (Bahamut, Neo Bahamut, Bahamut ZERO). Second Coil Savage in Japanese actually refers to it as Type-0 so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

Originally Posted by Mhaeric

For what it's worth as a heads up, potency displaying as something different in tooltip from the actual potency is fairly common and definitely not limited to just pet actions. None of the BLM fire spells display the actual potency for example. They at least have a tooltip for astral fire that says fire spell potency is increased, which is a step up from pet potencies, but it still says nothing about by how much it gets increased.

That's a bit different since, unlike the pet potencies, the BLM potencies, specifically for fire spells but also for their other spells, are a base, with an added multiplier that just happens to be consistent (stance and enochian). But unlike the pets, since the buff is a constant it becomes irrelevant in the long run, similar to Dragoon's buff. Now I'm not saying the tool tips couldn't be a bit more accurate, but it's not entirely the same thing as the pet potencies.