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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    yeah because we definitely need to make the strongest job in the game even stronger.
    No. It's not about buffing pets.
    It's about displaying the real potency according to the rest of the toolkit.
    Whether it shows the real potency or make the scaling of the pet the same as the owner which result in "reducing" the potency displayed.
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Is it that the pets have lower stats or is it because the master has Maim and Mend II, which increases healing and damage by 30%?
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Is it that the pets have lower stats or is it because the master has Maim and Mend II, which increases healing and damage by 30%?
    That is likely the source of the discrepancy. The Pets have the exact same stats as their masters but not the +30% healing/damage trait.
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    Eloah's Avatar
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Is it that the pets have lower stats or is it because the master has Maim and Mend II, which increases healing and damage by 30%?
    No the trait is applied to the pet as well. Here is the trait text
    Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 30%. Also increases base damage and HP restoration of your pet by 30%.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Jesus christ no wonder why schoolar is in such bade shape.

    Someone in SE really watched youtube on the second screen instead of DOING THEIR OWN JOB.
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  6. 06-22-2020 03:20 AM
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    OF is a meme and it's too grey to be helped. So I'm not going to try anymore.

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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsien View Post
    I'd love to hear more thoughts from you. Considering you don't have SCH leveled, that you don't do any currently relevant content from what I can see, and that you don't even have any other healers leveled to make any form of comparison, I'd love to hear why someone with absolutely no real frame of reference thinks the job is in a bad state.
    Told by someone who also didnt level to 80 both astrologian and whm, but ok.
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  8. 06-22-2020 09:52 AM
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    OF is a meme and it's too grey to be helped. So I'm not going to try anymore.

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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    That's a bit different since, unlike the pet potencies, the BLM potencies, specifically for fire spells but also for their other spells, are a base, with an added multiplier that just happens to be consistent (stance and enochian). But unlike the pets, since the buff is a constant it becomes irrelevant in the long run, similar to Dragoon's buff. Now I'm not saying the tool tips couldn't be a bit more accurate, but it's not entirely the same thing as the pet potencies.
    Pet potencies are constant too, so I'm unsure why you chose that as your second difference between them. Pet potency is just as consistent and irrelevant in the long run.

    The actual main difference from things like Astral Fire is that the potency listed in the tooltip for pets is actually accurate. It's just that the end result is calculated based on the pet's stats instead of yours which in turn are based on your stats. It's not quite as simple as just changing the potency number that is displayed on the pet's ability tooltips since that number is technically accurate. A note about pet stats on the Summon I and Summon II tooltips would be nice, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Jesus christ no wonder why schoolar is in such bade shape.

    Someone in SE really watched youtube on the second screen instead of DOING THEIR OWN JOB.
    This sounds like someone just watched a youtube video about Scholar instead of actually playing the job.

    Scholar is not in some hyperbolic bad shape. It is perfectly functional and able to do any content with ease. The main issues with it aren't even Scholar specific. I.e. pet clunkiness and healer dps rotations being boring. Aside from those two things, there's very little that needs adjusting. The only thing I can think of is making it less of a dps loss to weave oGCD and use Aetherflow for healing instead of Energy drain but that's a relatively small issue compared to the other two things.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 06-22-2020 at 08:21 AM.

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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Pet potencies are constant too, so I'm unsure why you chose that as your second difference between them. Pet potency is just as consistent and irrelevant in the long run.

    The actual main difference from things like Astral Fire is that the potency listed in the tooltip for pets is actually accurate. It's just that the end result is calculated based on the pet's stats instead of yours which in turn are based on your stats. It's not quite as simple as just changing the potency number that is displayed on the pet's ability tooltips since that number is technically accurate. A note about pet stats on the Summon I and Summon II tooltips would be nice, of course.
    I didn't say the potencies were constant, I called them a base with a constant buff. That's why I said they were a bit different. BLM's are usually under a constant buff, both from their stance and Enochian.

    I can't think of a better way to explain it other then it's the constant buff that makes it different. Unlike other jobs, a BLM's buff is activated upon a cast of either a fire or blizzard spell, so you can't really gauge them without that buff. Pets dont have this stipulation.

    Truthfully, it would be nice if they would add a bit of an addendum to the tool tip to show the potencies while in each stance, and their level. But it's not as difficult to figure out as the pet potencies.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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