Can we PLEASE get Achievement Mounts for Healers

[NobleWinter]

Tanks get 2 Mounts for every class and Healers get none. And no, I don't count the WHM Pegasus as an Achievement Mount since it only requires you to hit level 30. That's not much of an accomplishment worth celebrating unless you count staying awake while playing a boring job to be mount worthy. We just got the Amaro for that particular milestone in this expansion.

I wanna ride in an over-sized Astrologian Globe that turns it's cards horizontally while airborne to act as a propeller.

I want Lily to pull my wood frame hang glider across the ground with Seraph adding a hand to help me soar through the skies.

I want to find another long lost Pegasus so that they can pull my wooden carriage together. Let the elemental sprites I befriended as a Conjurer lend a hand to help me ascend to the heavens.

Can we get a new tier for the achievement that involves reviving people outside of our party that has a mount attached? I wanna surf on a giant tuft of Phoenix Down.

Just give healers something to make the cringe worthy skill sets we are working with more meaningful. Tanks have a reason to keep doing Roulettes and High End Duties and Healers are just supposed to be there.

[Crushnight]

All for it

If SE wants to take the lazy route;

Sch: use the ceiling lamp that has both Eos and Selene just add fluttering wings animation

Whm: reskin the witch's broom mount

Ast: reskin ADS mount to look like the globe from the lv80 skill just have a star floating around it etc.

[Enkidoh]

And no, I don't count the WHM Pegasus as an Achievement Mount since it only requires you to hit level 30. That's not much of an accomplishment worth celebrating unless you count staying awake while playing a boring job to be mount worthy.

That's a unicorn not a pegasus (the pegasus mount is completely different and has no relation to healers at all).

The reason healers haven't been given achievement mounts as it's usually tanks that are in demand not healers because of the extra responsibility tanks have to play in a party, usually we're the party's leader and dicate the flow of battle, in addition to having to DPS and keep the enemy's focus on us instead of you the healer keeping us and the rest of the party alive. Players thus prefer to queue as other roles (usually DPS) where they can sit back and let someone else take that responsibility.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding narky but if a player really needs to be given a carrot for healing in the form of special mounts, then it's maybe time to choose another career path in the game as that kind of goes against the whole idea of a healer being selfless and putting their party's wellbeing before their own if they need to be given special rewards for doing so (of course, great if recognition for your effort is given, but I don't see it happening).

[Ilyrian]

I'm sorry if I'm sounding narky but if a player really needs to be given a carrot for healing in the form of special mounts, then it's maybe time to choose another career path in the game as that kind of goes against the whole idea of a healer being selfless and putting their party's wellbeing before their own if they need to be given special rewards for doing so (of course, great if recognition for you effort is given, but I don't see it happening).

I'm not particularity fussed about getting another mount I won't use but that's a weird blend of RP and real-life that you're using to reason that out.

The easiness of the content aside - a good healer can carry a bad tank and group (in the relevant FFXIV content). A good tank can facilitate an easier run but ultimately can't compensate for a healing failing their job.

That said, it's other people that make tanking a thankless job - doesn't make it any more responsible than a healer.

[AnotherPerson]

The reason healers haven't been given achievement mounts as it's usually tanks that are in demand not healers because of the extra responsibility tanks have to play in a party, usually we're the party's leader and dicate the flow of battle, in addition to having to DPS and keep the enemy's focus on us instead of you the healer keeping us and the rest of the party alive.

Sorry to burst your bubble, both tanks and healers are instant queue so they're both in demand. I actually get healer instant queues more often than tanks (generally 2 to 5 min queues). Healers are in demand especially as of ShB where a lot of healer mains left healing due to how healer gameplay currently works. Tanks as of this expansion only need to hit an enemy with tank stance to maintain aggro. There is no real difference between them and a DPS besides having mitigation and more HP besides them having to hit the enemy first. If anything, both healers and tanks have equal responsibility as both roles have a big impact on the battle. This is especially the case for a healer as heals are a much needed component in order to survive boss fights and large packs of enemies. A dead healer has a higher chance of leading to a wipe because there's no one left to heal the incoming damage, but a dead tank or DPS can be recoverable as long as the healer can ress them.

Finally, tanks are not the party leader that dictates the flow of battle. This is a misconception. If the tank decides to pull lots of enemies, but the DPS decides to use Single Target attacks instead of AoE, then the DPS will end up determining the pacing and flow of battle. If the healer has terrible equipment and can't keep up with the tank's HP, then the healer will be determining the pacing and flow of battle. Everyone has an equal result on determining the flow of battle based on how well they play.

There is no "party leader" unless this is a pre-made group or a PF group because the person who creates the party has the role of the party leader. However, in Duty Finder, the tank is not by default the "party leader". Everyone who joins DF either queues up solo or queues up premade and thus each of them can be considered their own 'leader'. The other definition of a "party leader" is the one who guides and explains everything from mechanics to guiding teammates to where they should move and what the players should do during a certain mechanic. Unless that tank is the one that took an active role to do all these things, they are NOT the party leader. The only reason why a tank would be leading the party is because tanks should be the ones who pick up aggro first - anyone can really guide the party if the tank is absolutely clueless on where to go. However, there's a level of etiquette given to the tank to lead the party first because it makes it easier for them to pick up aggro as most enemies would be running to target who got near them first.

[Cantkillme5]

Summary - your exact statement is a perfect exaplme as to why tanks shouldnt be apoiled with a mount.

I feel as if you dont understand the priorities of healers and just how important and in demand they are yeah sure anyone can play a helaer just like anyone can play a tank but to assume healers dont deserve a special mount just because they dont hold the agro is just wrong.

To assume healers have it easy and they are supposed to be selfless is also wrong a healera first priority is their self if they are dead others are dead you cant be a healer and be selfless it just doesnt work. Healers also need to know encounter more so then any tank as they need to pay attention to who is getting hit by what and whats the minimum they can do to heal that player so they dont lose much time doing their own dps because yes healer dps does matter. Also, maybe you havent seen all the "bad" tanks that are out there but not every tank should be spoiled with a mount just because they play the class.

Every class should have its own special achievement mount although the requirements to attain such a mount should differ based on the job type.

[Hysterior]

And no, I don't count the WHM Pegasus as an Achievement Mount since it only requires you to hit level 30.

Always found it super random that only WHM get this extra mount.

Then for the queue, on my server it is still tanks missing and the most in demand job in roulette.
Not sure if you should get a carrot for everything. Just make healers more fun to pay, that's better than a mount.

[Seraphor]

Always found it super random that only WHM get this extra mount.

Then for the queue, on my server it is still tanks missing and the most in demand job in roulette.
Not sure if you should get a carrot for everything. Just make healers more fun to pay, that's better than a mount.

It was likely a very early incentive to get players to pick up the -as of then- only healer job in the game.

Which means there is precedent for incentivising players to play healers via mounts.

I think the current climate has Healers more in demand than Tanks, so it really is about time Healers got some kind of incentive and I don't see why it can't be more mounts.

[Canadane]

Always found it super random that only WHM get this extra mount.

Unless it's been changed, it's actually specifically CNJ that gets it. If you have your WHM job stone on you can't take on the quest.

[Snek]

I wanna ride in an over-sized Astrologian Globe that turns it's cards horizontally while airborne to act as a propeller.

This sounds amazing. I honestly don't see any reason for them not to add mounts to healers, or rather to ALL the jobs in fact... But I have a feeling it's likely a time/resource problem as they don't see it as a priority.