Current Dungeon Environment is Extremely Toxic

[Frizze]

If your default speed is a single pull you are a bad tank. Doesnt matter how effectively you stagger cooldowns, how efficiently you position and aim mobs, how little damage your healer has to take care of, how masterfully you deal with mechanics, or how much aggro control you have over the enemies. If you are doing this after level 50, please consider a job better suited to you.

[SuperSxyNerd]

I legit dont even know why you guys are explaining yourselves and engaging with OP. Can anyone here NOT see where the fault lies? It doesnt matter how you say it, how many times or what explanations you give he/she is going to believe its everyone else and not them.

Yawn, next thread please...

[HeulGDarian]

If your default speed is a single pull you are a bad tank. Doesnt matter how effectively you stagger cooldowns, how efficiently you position and aim mobs, how little damage your healer has to take care of, how masterfully you deal with mechanics, or how much aggro control you have over the enemies. If you are doing this after level 50, please consider a job better suited to you.

i disagree just cause there is the case of not having gear or actually being new or having a healer with those issues. I will however say that if those things arent an issue and they still single pull dungeons with the excuse this is my playstyle then they are lazy, hinderance to their teammates, unwilling to learn, wasting time and extremely selfish

[HeulGDarian]

I legit dont even know why you guys are explaining yourselves and engaging with OP. Can anyone here NOT see where the fault lies? It doesnt matter how you say it, how many times or what explanations you give he/she is going to believe its everyone else and not them.

Yawn, next thread please...

probably but this is a small part of a bigger issue. There has been a complete unwillingness to learn and a complete hatred for people who actually try to learn or help people to learn. Its not that much a problem with complete newbies they are willing to learn by my experience but it exists in level 80 dungeons. people simply refuse to improve according to the games difficulty curve. The shadowbringers job changes worsened that issue and i assume they made all those changes cause they watched a big proportion of the community being on the lower side of the skill floor and assumed its cause players had problems understanding those jobs instead of what is actually happening people taking the piss instead of playing.

[Frizze]

i disagree just cause there is the case of not having gear or actually being new or having a healer with those issues. I will however say that if those things arent an issue and they still single pull dungeons with the excuse this is my playstyle then they are lazy, hinderance to their teammates, unwilling to learn, wasting time and extremely selfish

Emphasis mine. So... someone who is a lazy unlearning selfish time wasting hinderance... i feel im safe calling those people bad at whatever job they play. As for new players, yes a lot of them do start out playing bad. Some get better. Bad gear is just a lazy excuse from someone wanting to hinder their team. If your gear is so far behind that you cant do your job, its because you arent upgrading it. The story throws gear at you hand over fist, so your first class should always be well outfitted. And i know im not alone in expecting someone working on a 2nd 3rd or whatever class to know how to keep up with gear and how important it is to their performance. Next, you mention the bad healer case. My exact words were "If your default speed is a single pull". Slowing down pulls because a group cant keep up(and you dont feel like leaving) is totally reasonable behavior. Assuming every healer is bad and therefore always going slow is unreasonable behavior. Also note that i never said pull wall to wall or else, just that your default should be higher then single pull. And my final point would be that final line. Assuming you didnt buy a job skip, by the time youre level 50 you arent really new anymore. Having a tank at level 50 means you played it for 20-50 levels and should have learned what it can do. At 50 every healing class has the means to handle big pulls, and every DPS has aoe moves. By that point, there is no reasonable excuse for always insisting on single pulls.