Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

[Esmoire]

If you are being Rescued, and you ask the healer to stop, and they continue, you can actually file that under harassment. Players have received infractions for inappropriate use of Rescue before, which also includes intentionally getting others killed with it.

[TyrTry]

It's not like the ability hasn't been around forever and everyone isn't painfully aware of what it can do. That's why I'm simply brainstorming ways to let the healer die without getting the entire group killed.

That's a real mature mindset right there.

"Rescue is mostly used by trolls! We should get rid of it or help me come up with way to PUNISH that healer!"

Nevermind my previous advice. I've got a new one: grow up.

Learn to speak up, put in a vote kick, or simply leave the dungeon. You've got options; you might want to utilize them.

[Goji1639]

That's a real mature mindset right there.

"Rescue is mostly used by trolls! We should get rid of it or help me come up with way to PUNISH that healer!"

Nevermind my previous advice. I've got a new one: grow up.

Learn to speak up, put in a vote kick, or simply leave the dungeon. You've got options; you might want to utilize them.

The developers can only do so much to control harassment in chat, but the game doesn't need abilities designed specifically to allow harassment. "Hey, you can just abandon and sit through another queue" is a super awesome option and everything, but it's not a great reason to avoid addressing abilities that actively promote harassment.

[TyrTry]

The developers can only do so much to control harassment in chat, but the game doesn't need abilities designed specifically to allow harassment. "Hey, you can just abandon and sit through another queue" is a super awesome option and everything, but it's not a great reason to avoid addressing abilities that actively promote harassment.

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I think you need reread the skill description because "promoting harassment " is not in its text.

We might as well state that shirk "promotes harassment" or any other [insert skill here]. You're going down an awfully slippery slope here.

And if you play tank, I think you'll live sitting through another que.

[Goji1639]

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I think you need reread the skill description because "promoting harassment " is not in its text.

We might as well state that shirk "promotes harassment" or any other [insert skill here]. You're going down an awfully slippery slope here.

And if you play tank, I think you'll live sitting through another que.

I don't think I've seen Shirk used to harass people. Most of us have seen Rescue used for that. It doesn't need to be in the text; the way it promotes harassment is obvious. You can literally drag another player and place them anywhere you want them. Honestly, how did they think giving the community that ability would play out?

Oh gawd. Another one of the "tank sets the pace" arguments. The simplest answer is that no. No you do not. You're not unique or special or any kind of leader. It is a dumb argument and I suggest you learn how to play as a team.

The tank does set the pace; that's usually the class I see running forward and pulling as everyone else follows. I'm not saying to ignore everyone else's input, but if no one speaks up at the beginning the default is we're going to go as fast as the tank decides.

[Elkanah]

I don't think I've seen Shirk used to harass people. Most of us have seen Rescue used for that. It doesn't need to be in the text; the way it promotes harassment is obvious. You can literally drag another player and place them anywhere you want them. Honestly, how did they think giving the community that ability would play out?

Apparently some of ya'll don't remember when NIN had Smoke Screen and Shadewalker (pre 3.1). The potency was so good that you could take 80% of the hate from the tank, and place it on any 1 member in the party, which damn near made the Enmity generation go up when you did it multiple times in a fight (120-180s). We always used to laugh and do these kinds of things with friends or FC members for shites and giggles back in the day. But it was mostly when we weren't already not being serious anyways. For endgame content or anything else, this was obviously only used on the tanks or whoever the enmity was generating from (dps usually) and apply directly to the tanks in DPS stance for savage raids.

Tanks had notorious threads on a variety of forums for using Shirk on members in the party to push hate on DPS or healers who were terribad (being jackholes at that point). I've done it when people pissed me off and did things opposite the group (usually people who were already being dicks in the first place till they left the instance or we vote kicked them). Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it wasn't ever done before you noticed it. You also probably hadn't been playing when those threads were up on the OF, reddit, 4chan, tumblr, facebook groups, twitter, among a lot of other places.

[TyrTry]

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If I'm barely ilvl appropriate for the dungeon and not familiar with it I'm probably going to pull small. Tank sets the pace; that's just how it is. If the healer doesn't like the pace he can speak up, and if he asks for big pulls he'd better not suck.

Oh gawd. Another one of the "tank sets the pace" arguments. The simplest answer is that no. No you do not. You're not unique or special or any kind of leader. It is a dumb argument and I suggest you learn how to play as a team.

[TyrTry]

I don't think I've seen Shirt used to harass people. Most of us have seen Rescue used for that. It doesn't need to be in the text; the way it promotes harassment is obvious. You can literally drag another player and place them anywhere you want them. Honestly, how did they think giving the community that ability would play out?

Ok...I can already see where this is going.

You completely ignored the context of my message because of....reasons I guess, so I no longer see any point continuing this conversation any further.

And as for your question: for it to be used by what it was designed for.

Good luck with your delusion of it "promoting harassment ".

[Goji1639]

I pull however I want if no one in the group states a preference. If no one speaks up then the tank is going to be the one setting the pace, because he's the one pulling. I'm sorry that's such a confusing concept for some of you.

What little purpose Rescue actually serves could easily be served without the mechanic that promotes abuse and harassment. There's no reason to let healers take control of other peoples characters and place them wherever they feel like. Turn it into a barrier and it won't continue to be a problem.

[NessaWyvern]

What little purpose Rescue actually serves could easily be served without the mechanic that promotes abuse and harassment. There's no reason to let healers take control of other peoples characters and place them wherever they feel like. Turn it into a barrier and it won't continue to be a problem.

Rescue pulling a tank is hardly harassment. If you could push a button to help someone play their role better, you’d do it. That’s why Asts use cards, why dps use raid buffs. The Rescue pull is just the healer allowing you to actually tank properly.