If you want FF XI , then PLAY FF XI!

[Pim-ptarutaruOdin]

Its one thing to compare the two, Its another to make it the same thing. The game was flawed at launch, which is where the races came in. If your argument is that they should make it more like FFXI because the races are the same, then I can't fall behind you on that alone, its not as if you were stuck playing in the character creation screen the whole time. The game had more difference than similarities to its processor.

Everyone has a right to say their piece. To post it over and over again in different threads is just annoying, I'm sure you can at least fall behind me on that. All I'm saying is, make use of the open forum the DEV have presented and give them something fresh to work with.

you do know more then half of the enemy in this game is a direct rip of the char models from ffxi in HD right? pretty much the same thing with all the race models. Hell the same NM buffalo you have to kill for war steel cyclone quest is the same exact nm in ffxi. There Square enix games there are gonna be lots of similar things from xi into this game. now me being a 8 year vet of ffxi I loved it. As you can see from many of us old ffxi players its not simple to say go back and play ffxi. The ffxi world that most of us players are no longer around. Abyssea ruined it for so many people. As much as I do love seeing new things in this game, I do love seeing some stuff from ffxi. Now do I want a clone of ffxi or a ffxi-2? not really. I see this game as a totally new game with borrowed ideas from XI. Now tbh if SE did make a FFXI-2 i think XIV would be in a world of hurt. Most of us ffxi vets would swarm to that game. I could see ffxiv dry up into pretty much nothing lol. And there really is a crap load of ppl from ffxi that is playing this game.

[Jynx]

And this is why it wont get better, because each side wants to say the other side is completely at fault...

It's hard to have a true discussion on these forums as it does tend to boil down to both sides trying to one up eachother instead of actually discussing the topic at hand.

[Pim-ptarutaruOdin]

No wonder people instantly shun things in this community. Everyone is living on the biggest misconceptions ever. Everytime I've done HNMs we didn't "camp for 12 hours", we camped during the window, only a fool spent their entire day camping an HNM. It was insanely easy to get the last ToD and to show up for the first window, which lasted no more than 3 hours on most, excluding the ToAU kings, which are SET spawns of 36+ hours (why? It depends if they were defeated in Besieged or not.)

It doesn't alienate anybody, you either do the content or you don't. You aren't forced to do anything in an MMO unless it's driven by the community, much like class stacking.

OMFG someone that finally knows how the HNMs worked in ffxi!!! your right only a complete dumb ass would sit out there during the whole thing. 3 hours is really not a long time. Most ppl spend that much time spaming AV, CC or ifrit, moogle everyday! imo i think kings/hnms stuff like that would be awesome to have.

[Rydin]

OMFG someone that finally knows how the HNMs worked in ffxi!!! your right only a complete dumb ass would sit out there during the whole thing. 3 hours is really not a long time. Most ppl spend that much time spaming AV, CC or ifrit, moogle everyday! imo i think kings/hnms stuff like that would be awesome to have.

I'm all for anything that means more content in the game...
I would like you to go sit alone and contemplate why you typed "OMFG" on the internet though...
Kind of felt like I was reading a text from my teenage female cousin....
I love you though, pimp...
I wouldn't mind some HNM action...
I wonder how the 2.0 community (Most notably the PS3 players) would feel about long timers...

[Pim-ptarutaruOdin]

I would like you to go sit alone and contemplate why you typed "OMFG" on the internet though...
Kind of felt like I was reading a text from my teenage female cousin....
I love you though, pimp...

XD your right kinda looking at it know does sound like that eh!

I wouldn't mind some HNM action...
I wonder how the 2.0 community (Most notably the PS3 players) would feel about long timers...

Most people that didn't play ffxi will probably not like it. They will see the timer and be like F**K THAT! again only time you need to be around to try and wait for the HNM would be during there window. You don't have to wait the full 16+ hours lol. As much as im loving how easy it is to obtain weapons/armor in this game. I feel we need to get some stuff to where not everyone can obtain it in 1-2 nights lol. Having some exclusive armor or weapons that everyone doesnt have make people stand out. Also like you said would add more content.

[Gramul]

Is it so wrong to want content that you have to work for?
Getting things done within a few days is just so unrewarding.

Personally if I was SE I would be trying to appeal to that 600k + PS3 users and not the 10k that's left.

To be fair, us 10k are the investors.

[Jinko]

True.... hahaha
And I am the first to admit I don't speak for everyone...
But I hope everyone has the games best interest at heart....

I think if SE mixed WoW and FF11 in a pot and took the elements from both games it would be awesome, and tbh it kind of looks what Yoshi-p is doing anyway.

I do think there are certain things that we can influence but stuff like "petition to stop content finder" is never guna happen anyway.

So yea I agree.

There are wonderful ideas from XI that they could put in one form or another. There are also terrible ideas from XI that should die in fires.

There are wonderful idea's they can take from the likes of WoW, WAR, Aion, Rift, Tera, GW, PSO the list goes on. ( and FF1, FF2, FF3,FF4,FF5 .... etc)

I'm guna slice this up...

you do know more then half of the enemy in this game is a direct rip of the char models from ffxi in HD right? pretty much the same thing with all the race models.

Well lets be completely honest here many of the enemies are from other Final Fantasy games also, and then the other half are just regular wildlife.

Hell the same NM buffalo you have to kill for war steel cyclone quest is the same exact nm in ffxi.

Well he's just a smaller "great Buffalo" and wasn't that added by the original team.

There Square enix games there are gonna be lots of similar things from xi into this game. now me being a 8 year vet of ffxi I loved it. As you can see from many of us old ffxi players its not simple to say go back and play ffxi. The ffxi world that most of us players are no longer around. Abyssea ruined it for so many people.

Exactly so don't come to this game and expect or try to change it into what it isn't... TIME TO MOVE ON !!

As much as I do love seeing new things in this game, I do love seeing some stuff from ffxi.

I can appreciate and agree with this.

Now do I want a clone of ffxi or a ffxi-2? not really. I see this game as a totally new game with borrowed ideas from XI. Now tbh if SE did make a FFXI-2 i think XIV would be in a world of hurt. Most of us ffxi vets would swarm to that game.

I don't think it would be in a world of hurt, FFXI vets are a very small majority of gamers, I would actually prefer this in a way that way FFXIV could be left for regular and casual gamers (you know the ones that play the offline games).

I could see ffxiv dry up into pretty much nothing lol. And there really is a crap load of ppl from ffxi that is playing this game.

A crap load .. 10-20k ? I would be really interested to see how much of the community make up Ex FF11 players, it seems these boards are 50/50 split and many don't even visit these boards.

[Funky]

Im just gonna add my point of view for this...

EPIC Reading Ahead!

I've been playing FFXIV since first Beta release,
it was in a horrible state april 2010 i think it was.

It looked great, but it has massive bugs & players started speculating
what PC could run this insanly PC spec'd demanding game.
It turned out the major problems wasnt just that even the biggest baddest PC's
had major problems running the game smoothly & it felt very...pointless of playing.

The game got a rushed release later that year and good lord, it was still in shambles.
It was so bad it made FFXI look hell of alot better in all possibly ways.

The fans of FFXI and other mmo's in general went infurious & told SE....
What the hell is this garbage?...This isnt the game standard from you!

Someone had to take the blame for whatever reasons and a new leadership was introduced.
Even thou the new producer & team have done amazing work up until now, the blame imo
was wrongly placed upon the original producer & management.

The Dev team and creators of the original game seemed to have
made a mess of the coding and general developemt tools.

It didnt work out as intended, and the game had already set in stone the characters
you select as your avatar / toon or what you will.

They were based upon FFXI's character's Mithra, tarutaru, elvaan, humes & galkans.
FFXIV from that point on became FFXI-2 if you like,
mainly because the major relation was just that part.
The FFXIV world however is not in any or little way related to FFXI at all.

Jobs... and classes are not related just to FFXI, most of the jobs/classes
goes way back even to the first FF games ever released.

So saying FFXIV is FFXI-2 & shouldnt be related to FFXI at all is just plain stupid in one way.
It IS based upon FFXI, the majority of the biggest player base is FFXI players.

This game should have everything FFXI had but better, bigger & cooler even with new stuff,
maybe even borrowed from other games....and at this point its just whats happening.

Why should FFXIV be any less than FFXI, WoW or any other MMO?
To win a market such as in MMO gaming, you have to please the fans in order to get a selling product.

SE did a smart thing by listening to their fans,
taking notes & implementing things both fans & developrs like.

SE are still in control, however there's a few bugs that
needs tweaking here & there, like this forum...

It could use a good clean up.

FF fans in general...would you rather have a WoW clone than a FFXI clone?
Imo...i think ill take the latter.

(Im no WoW hater, infact i played WoW for several years...like many other mmo's)
But bigass shoulderpads that almost stops me from entering the Auction House in Stormwynd... nah...that is no good in FFXIV...even thou Shoulderpads are cool, they just were abit oversized in WoW...lol)

This is not FFXI, not WoW not even SW:ToR...

This....is FFXIV still in Progress.

- Sorry for long ass post & for any typos.
i really felt i had to speak my mind & opinions defening this game & FFXI.
So i will not replay to any quotes or questions, since my post more or
less explained alot to new players of the game

I have alot of faith that this game will surpass FFXI, WoW or any other MMO's currently out there.

Alot of things has happend to FFXIV and the developers since the games release,
at one point the game looked Doomed from all perspectives,
but the new Development team took a chance of restoring their pride & company name,
and many of the fans supported them in many ways through this forum,
even in the times of earthquake disaster that happen not long ago.

Thats dedication in times of despair imo, Developer & consumer
working together to build something awesome!

And it had many effects, other mmo companies started doing the same thing...
Blizzard for example doing developer's blog or whatever they call it.

So...SquareEnix...Dont stop, keep going!

Note: This isnt my main character, this is my 2nd account, hance the low level as of yet. / I like privacy :P

[Razorboi82]

you do know more then half of the enemy in this game is a direct rip of the char models from ffxi in HD right? pretty much the same thing with all the race models. Hell the same NM buffalo you have to kill for war steel cyclone quest is the same exact nm in ffxi. There Square enix games there are gonna be lots of similar things from xi into this game. now me being a 8 year vet of ffxi I loved it. As you can see from many of us old ffxi players its not simple to say go back and play ffxi. The ffxi world that most of us players are no longer around. Abyssea ruined it for so many people. As much as I do love seeing new things in this game, I do love seeing some stuff from ffxi. Now do I want a clone of ffxi or a ffxi-2? not really. I see this game as a totally new game with borrowed ideas from XI. Now tbh if SE did make a FFXI-2 i think XIV would be in a world of hurt. Most of us ffxi vets would swarm to that game. I could see ffxiv dry up into pretty much nothing lol. And there really is a crap load of ppl from ffxi that is playing this game.

Those enemies are not a direct rip from FFXI, they are iconic monsters from final fantasy's 8bit days and onward. They paved their way to being some of the most memorable monsters in the FF world. I would list them all but i'm too lazy ^.^. There are some things that are just expected to be in a FF game, like the moogle, or Jobs (which i believe contributed to the flawed launch). They have at times taken on different names, the look is generally the same. FFXI was not the beginning the series and I cannot take that as an example.

I do see your point on them taking things into account from their other games. Now, that being said, why do we need a search icon(its really just useless, I never ran around Jeuno looking for Icons)? Most of the things that are asked for, are plain generic copy's with no thought put into it. Why cant you take the original idea, break it down... fix the bugs, build up a basic Idea, add onto that Idea with your original ideas, then present it as a whole new idea, reminiscent of previous games?

Lets take the Arena, break it down and all you have is a pit, what if instead of fighting monsters... You make it a pvp battle royal. put up a roster of winning LS companies. Also have Teams and Solo games. have a betting hall attached to it, where you can bet on upcoming battles. next to it have a race track... Hell build a town around that, underground of course. make it so that people cannot teleport there.

Why not make an ever changing labyrinth for the hard core players. Devs make it so that its a new dungeon every week and people have to make it to the end, beat some random list of bosses. keep things fresh and new. Loot will be from random dungeons, from totorak to Cutters, you never know what your going to get @.@. POW!~ Post a name, throw in that it has similarities to FF's theme... and walla! Idea!
(I'm not ranting, really ^.^
No one ever does that, they clearly state that they want something from FFXI injected right into the middle of the game.

[kazaran]

Once again the large base supporting FFXIV are FFXI fans. Similarities will be kept, and need to be kepted, especially the many tha worked well after more then 6 years of trial and error. We don't want it more like wow, because FFXI is older then wow. However aspects of other MMO's liek wow have leaked in and it isn't vlending as well as some non-ffxi veterns think it is.

THe enemies of this game are nto direct rips of XI. If you say that, you have played very little of XI at all. Other then the return of Goblin thugs, evil eyes, balloon bombs, and a varied derimite population, very little is similiar on enemies. THe others are very different, or existed in much older Final Fantasy games.

By tryign to be too different, the initial release of the game wasn't welcomes by the majority that will keep it a float. THose who have played Final Fantasy Online for years. Other games, such as wow, shoulnnd't even be mentioned, there are to many wow clones, and to be hoenst WOW adapted other mmo's before it, except FFXI stood out from them. If I want more similarity to WOW, or Eve, or another common one, I will stick with Rift which has more to offer then them.

Final Fantasy Online has a perticular feel, stronger story element, stronger community potential. THe last thing we want is a a typical MMO bringing it down. We want the more cast content, slower more realistic casting and timing, rather then spamming fire and attack at etremely unrealistic quickness. The strong story and cutscenes, and feelign of real accomplishment and teamwork.

This is Final Fantasy. XI was Final fantasy. Wow, Eve, Rift, and Guild WArs is not final fantasy. While you can share some elements, to much would destroy the FF element. IF you want the wow aspects, go play wow. THat is better then saying trade in one FInal Fantasy feel for another jsut to be another mediocre clone of an outside game.