Current State Mac (June/2020)

[justinhuang]

It it highly anticipated that Apple is going to announce that it will be shifting its CPU's to an in-house ARM based design. Obviously this will not affect current hardware but it's pretty much the kiss of death for mainstream gaming on the Mac within 3-5 years. In other words, there's not going to be much incentive to spend a lot of money on direct compatibility.

I heard rumors about this too though I didn’t put much thought to it because of unpredictable rumors could be. Regardless of processor, if they don’t optimize it now, I also feel like they won’t optimize or put little effort to optimize for the future ARM chipset for Mac client

[MsQi]

The biggest problem with apple is it's run like a cult instead of a tech company. Instead of trying to please any of their customers, they tell their followers what they will enjoy.

[ErwinSchrodinger]

The biggest problem with apple is it's run like a cult instead of a tech company. Instead of trying to please any of their customers, they tell their followers what they will enjoy.

Effective marketing. Lots of companies do the exact same thing, with varying degrees of success. That's why choosey moms choose JIF. And none of that really has nothing to do with SE support of the Mac client, which is the argument that I think most Mac users are trying to make. SE is solely to blame for how well their software supports platforms it's released on. Will a natively developed version of FFXIV perform better on Mac OS than a natively developed version on Windows? Probably not, and yeah Apple is at least partially to blame for that. But I don't think most Mac users would be upset if it performed worse than Windows/PS4, as long as it just performed better than how it currently performs in a WINE wrapper.

To the OP: I play on the Mac Client with an eGPU, and while it doesn't run as nice as it does on Windows, I get enough performance that I'm satisfied with it. I think the only way we'll see improvements is if the 3rd party WINE provider somehow better supports Metal in Mac OS. Maybe if SE decides to rebuild FFXIV in the future, they'll select a platform that has more tools available for making cross platform games where they don't have to rely on a WINE wrapper. Fingers crossed.

[Raltar]

I suppose you are lucky there is any mac support at all, considering how few people actually play this game on a mac.

[justinhuang]

Effective marketing. Lots of companies do the exact same thing, with varying degrees of success. That's why choosey moms choose JIF. And none of that really has nothing to do with SE support of the Mac client, which is the argument that I think most Mac users are trying to make. SE is solely to blame for how well their software supports platforms it's released on. Will a natively developed version of FFXIV perform better on Mac OS than a natively developed version on Windows? Probably not, and yeah Apple is at least partially to blame for that. But I don't think most Mac users would be upset if it performed worse than Windows/PS4, as long as it just performed better than how it currently performs in a WINE wrapper.

To the OP: I play on the Mac Client with an eGPU, and while it doesn't run as nice as it does on Windows, I get enough performance that I'm satisfied with it. I think the only way we'll see improvements is if the 3rd party WINE provider somehow better supports Metal in Mac OS. Maybe if SE decides to rebuild FFXIV in the future, they'll select a platform that has more tools available for making cross platform games where they don't have to rely on a WINE wrapper. Fingers crossed.

I do hope there are better optimizations for Mac too.

[MsQi]

Effective marketing. Lots of companies do the exact same thing, with varying degrees of success. That's why choosey moms choose JIF. And none of that really has nothing to do with SE support of the Mac client, which is the argument that I think most Mac users are trying to make.

Oh, no no no, it goes much deeper than that. Have you been to a Macworld Expo? Apple's capriciousness makes it hard for third parties to support them consistently.

A fully native client would probably rival that of comparable hardware running Windows. However if a change in architecture is coming I wouldn't count on it.

[Jin-]

Frame drops like that are usually caused by weak CPU which you seem to have

[reiichi]

Using a more recent compile of wine or crossover directly with the windows client might also get better performance than the cyder/transgaming fork of wine that SE is using for the mac client, but then you need a windows license (like it always should have been tbh).

But at that point, I'd say just use Linux instead which has dxvk for bigger performance boost. You should be able to use an eGPU as well.
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-l...ks-flawlessly/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gamin...egpu_on_linux/

[justinhuang]

Using a more recent compile of wine or crossover directly with the windows client might also get better performance than the cyder/transgaming fork of wine that SE is using for the mac client, but then you need a windows license (like it always should have been tbh).

But at that point, I'd say just use Linux instead which has dxvk for bigger performance boost. You should be able to use an eGPU as well.
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-l...ks-flawlessly/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gamin...egpu_on_linux/

Ty for providing me guides. I used egpu.io for tweaking egpu to work too. Unfortunately, it’s encounter a lot of problems

[justinhuang]

Frame drops like that are usually caused by weak CPU which you seem to have

How do you quantity my cpu to be weak ? If you read other post, they still encounter sluggish problems with the later model of Mac