Combining some buttons into one

[Ultimatecalibur]

I don't know what means, as one I am on PS4 so those numbers look like kanj from 900 BC D:

1-2-3 is short hand for describing the standard gcd combo system used by most classes and jobs of the game. 1 is the action that is uneffected by the action performed before it, 2 is the action that get its combo bonus from following action 1 and 3 is a action that gets its combo bonus for following 2. A majority of the non-caster classes and jobs (along with Red Mage) use variations of this system to perform their weaponskill combos.

For Gunbreaker the basic single target combo is:

1. Keen Edge
2. Brutal Shell
3. Solid Barrel

While the Cartridge/Continuation combo is:

1. Jugular Rip
2. Abdomen Tear
3. Eye Gouge

Second it'll def be changed since you'll be taking 2 buttons away. It'll be different for sure. But that's hair pulling..

Not really. The combos would still be Keen Edge -> Brutal Shell -> Solid Barrel and Jugular Rip -> Abdomen Tear -> Eye Gouge.

what I want to know is are people running out of space? Like I mention before I have lots of free space as gun breaker doesn't even have that many skills as is. I just don't want the classes to lose even more stuff. Sch, monk, ninja, and mch to name a few. Mch most def has so little buttons it's insane. But I'm saying this as like I said, I have what seems like tons of space. But I'm also on controller and PS4. So my question is are you PC players running out of space?

Are you certain you are including all your abilities (including role actions) on your hotbars? Gunbreaker has 32 buttons (25 job abilities and 7 role actions) at level 80 not including general actions such as mount, sprint, teleport and limit break. The basic controller Hotbar set has 16 buttons while the expanded can hold up to 32 without changing to another hotbar set.

[Quintessa]

Mine is set up like this(obviously I can't use continuation/fated circle yet but I set it up in advance)


Extended bar (where holding down both trigger buttons brings this up). I call this my CD bar lol.


The part I need my keyboard/number pad for.


I never need to switch sets. I have 6 empty sets that I don't even use for GNB.

So as I understand it, this is mainly an issue for controller users where some players want to never have to switch sets.

[Seraphor]

I found this: https://xivbars.josebenedicto.com/?job=GNB
Which is handy, if a bit tricky because i use the offset setting, where both sets on the left are the d-pad and both sets on the right are the face buttons, so I had to swap it around for this but anyway, here's my GNB set up:



I have Sprint set to L3, and mounts and tank stances set to another xhotbar.
I also use a 'visual only' regular hotbar to display most things of the expanded bars so I can always see them.

[Wyakin]

Mine is set up like this(obviously I can't use continuation/fated circle yet but I set it up in advance)


Extended bar (where holding down both trigger buttons brings this up). I call this my CD bar lol.


The part I need my keyboard/number pad for.


I never need to switch sets. I have 6 empty sets that I don't even use for GNB.

So as I understand it, this is mainly an issue for controller users where some players want to never have to switch sets.

You do exactly the same as me. There’s loads of space and zero need to make the game idiot proof for lazy people who wanna press one button.

[SomeRandomHuman]

You do exactly the same as me. There’s loads of space and zero need to make the game idiot proof for lazy people who wanna press one button.

There was also zero need for them to re-work tank stances but they did it anyway?

Regardless. I have enough space on my set-ups as a controller user. I just dislike the needless button cluttering and, as mentioned prior, it'd be nice if they were to give us more actions within their general button numbers they like to keep to.

[Payadopa]

Consolidating Jump with Mirage Dive would be amazing as a DRG... Not gonna lie. Same with the single target/AoE combos. You just press them in order anyway. I'd rather that and get utility/identity back. 5.0 is atrocious in that regard.

[SpiralMask]

There was also zero need for them to re-work tank stances but they did it anyway?

Regardless. I have enough space on my set-ups as a controller user. I just dislike the needless button cluttering and, as mentioned prior, it'd be nice if they were to give us more actions within their general button numbers they like to keep to.

this is also sort of my stance--the devs have made it very clear that there's a soft action limit due to controller support (even after expanding with the WXHB and the secondary toggles).
with them repeatedly complaining about action limits leading up to ShB and then doing an entire combat rework that kneecapped several classes outright (swathes of AST's entire class quest and card lore are straight up lies now, MCH goes on about skills that don't exist anymore, two of the three healers lost their downtime activity entirely rather than granting the third something, DRK is now just WAR-with-OGCDs) and ruined the leveling experience of many others (every class is on a slow drip-feed, and some don't get a basic toolkit for a damn long time) to try and fit that action limit across 80 levels of a class, i don't see things going well if they don't change something up, since they're gonna have to do yet another gutting/rework to classes across the board to spread the same number of buttons even thinner over 90 levels.

one potential option is collapsing some skills where appropriate to save space, another might be finding some way to expand the action limit (more sub-bars for XHB or tools to swap between bars more easily?) and so on, but something's gotta change or the annoyances we have now are only gonna get worse, as well as saddling the devs with even more work with having to revamp the combat system every 2 years until the game goes to maintenance mode.

[Malmstrom]

I want more buttons to smash as monk.

Or, just give me GL 5-6 so I can break my hand trying to play it.

Please.

[Controller]

1-2-3 is short hand for describing the standard gcd combo system used by most classes and jobs of the game. 1 is the action that is uneffected by the action performed before it, 2 is the action that get its combo bonus from following action 1 and 3 is a action that gets its combo bonus for following 2. A majority of the non-caster classes and jobs (along with Red Mage) use variations of this system to perform their weaponskill combos.

For Gunbreaker the basic single target combo is:

1. Keen Edge
2. Brutal Shell
3. Solid Barrel

While the Cartridge/Continuation combo is:

1. Jugular Rip
2. Abdomen Tear
3. Eye Gouge

Not really. The combos would still be Keen Edge -> Brutal Shell -> Solid Barrel and Jugular Rip -> Abdomen Tear -> Eye Gouge.



Are you certain you are including all your abilities (including role actions) on your hotbars? Gunbreaker has 32 buttons (25 job abilities and 7 role actions) at level 80 not including general actions such as mount, sprint, teleport and limit break. The basic controller Hotbar set has 16 buttons while the expanded can hold up to 32 without changing to another hotbar set.

I'mma show my hotbar in a following post, as it might explain what I mean more. Tho I think I might just be overseeing the issue. As I'll be honest.. it doesn't feel like 32 actions on mine. So I think you might be right. IT feels so basic when I play tho. Let me get my pictures in here so you can see.

Linking the pics.






THe first image at the top is the first cross bar/ default. Without holding L2 or R2. As you can see I have both the standard combo and the GF combo on that bar. I work my rotations in a clock like fashion so it's easier to remember. The second image is me holding down L2 and R2 I believe and I switch to R2 and L2 when I want to hit either left or right as the images show. The last one is just showing how many crossbars I'm even using for the job and it's only cross bar 1 and 2. Cross bar 8 is my emote bar. So that is why I was saying I have tons of space for more moves.

Now I'm sure you'll noticed the PC like hotbars above them. I added extra moves there... but that never seemed like alot to me still. But I don't play KB and mouse so this is me asking.. with those PC bars above the controller ones I use. Is that alot of moves? Cause on controller it doesn't feel like alot to me at all.

[Limonia]

@OP people have been asking SE to combine buttons for years. Much like blade and soul or even the PvP system. And frankly most the community dislikes the idea and the full rotations and having to learn them is half the fun of the game.

I did not ask to merge combos into one button, and I know a lot of people dislike the idea of it. I asked to combine things like Ley Lines + Between the Lines or Jump + Mirage Dive into one button. It has been asked for here and there, but I haven't found a more extensive discussion about it yet.