Combining some buttons into one

[Bright-Flower]

I wouldn't mind it if t hey merged combos into one button. At least the strictly linear ones, I get why monk for example it wouldn't work because they don't have traditional combos plus perfect balance lets thim hit any of their weaponskills.

I can kind of see why some people wouldn't like it, but for me hitting 123 in a strict order isn't really any more engaging than 111 to do the same thing when there's really no thought going into what I'm going to press after 1 anyway.

[Morningstar1337]

I did not ask to merge combos into one button, and I know a lot of people dislike the idea of it. I asked to combine things like Ley Lines + Between the Lines or Jump + Mirage Dive into one button. It has been asked for here and there, but I haven't found a more extensive discussion about it yet.

I mean it still is the same principle, so I'm not surprised the topic would drift into it, or even if there was opposition to mergeing abilities, hell I wouden't be surprised if there were arguments for separating Horoscope Helios, Detonate Wildfire and Stellar Explosion into separate buttons (and having a reasonable or semi-reasonable argument for it like fat-fingering the aforementioned and causing them to to be used too early)

[GrimGale]

Merging combos and certain actions could aleviate the button bloat SE keeps using as an excuse to limit the variety of skills that we get.

I am all in favour of combining 1,2,3 combos into one button as long as we get unique and interesting skills/mechanics in exchange.

[SpiralMask]

I wouldn't mind it if t hey merged combos into one button. At least the strictly linear ones, I get why monk for example it wouldn't work because they don't have traditional combos plus perfect balance lets thim hit any of their weaponskills.

I can kind of see why some people wouldn't like it, but for me hitting 123 in a strict order isn't really any more engaging than 111 to do the same thing when there's really no thought going into what I'm going to press after 1 anyway.

DRG is in a similar boat iirc since they need both branches for their fancy starter attack

[Ultimatecalibur]

DRG is in a similar boat iirc since they need both branches for their fancy starter attack

??? True Thrust/Raiden Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust would be one combo button, Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust would be a second combo button and Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust would be their own buttons. The rotation would end up something like this: 1-2-2-3-4-1-1-1-4-3 compared to the current 1-2-3-4-5-1-6-7-5-4.

[SomeRandomHuman]

DRG is in a similar boat iirc since they need both branches for their fancy starter attack

Nope. You can collapse the true thrust combo into one since raiden thrust replaces true thrust on proc. The collapse disembowel and chaos thrust into one. Then Honestly you could probably get fang & claw and wheeling thrust to their collapsed combos respectively. They're unusable without their procs anyway.

[Esmoire]

Even if they don't do compound combo buttons for PvE, I do think this conversation has been fruitful and in general I respect the ideas on either side. On the topic of combined buttons, WAR has historically been managed well, having actions changing based on stance in Stormblood, and evolving with the next expansion. For all the problems people have with the job, I do think it would have been silly to have Inner Chaos on its own button. Similarly, RDM was pretty elegant, and I'd be pretty annoyed if Scorch was on its own button.

All in all it's been good and I look forward to seeing where the next expansion goes. I am in favour of compound buttons though I will concede that they are not needed. That said, jobs like PLD have a lot of room for improvement. Also, I kind of like what PvP did with putting MCH's Hypercharge stuff on existing keys.

[Bright-Flower]

DRG is in a similar boat iirc since they need both branches for their fancy starter attack

Not necessarily, just have two buttons. One for the dot combo one for the pure damage combo. PVP combos work the same way even when more than one chain has the same starting ability IIRC. Though I was thinking more jobs like ninja and paladin, I forgot about dragoon's longer combos.