We should get exp boost in the game.

[SamRF]

I didn't need to. I see your arguement for the facile, vacuous statement for what it is. "I think the story is overrated so i'm going to call it a shounen anime as if it is a pejorative". and "We don't want to take away what makes this game stands out from it's contemporaries, but we totally do and take one more step into creative homogeny that this genre suffers from".

I prefer my PC to be a Character, not a Toon.

Still waiting on those mythical "lots and lots" of people who are being "locked out of the game" by something that is already being fixed in the next patch by the way. You and TC both.

You can interpret it however you want and disagree with it but it doesn't mean that I'm being disingenuous, never asked for any game focus to be changed but rather having the option available so I don't know how that affects the game's creativity, maybe indirectly, I don't know. And again, this option would change nothing for me personally since I'd follow and enjoy the story as I've always done. I've made posts before related to story so take that as your proof.

Main reason why I want this option as much as I do is because of the complaints I've read about on MMO forums (not this one) and it annoys me that players have to wait as long as they had to before they can get into exciting combat and experience, it felt like a waste to lose out on those players just because of the slog of MSQ, and I've also got friends who quit soon after trying the game due to lack of exciting gameplay at lower levels. I realize however that if they could make you unlock abilities MUCH faster, to the point you have almost your whole kit at lvl 50, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

Also not sure what you mean with "Still waiting.. " where are you waiting on them? Where do you expect them to show up? Not in the game since MSQ is still very much mandatory. No idea what you mean there.

[Razard]

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Ok, most of your post is wishy washy rambley nonsense so I'm going to skip to the relevant parts.

Main reason why I want this option as much as I do is because of the complaints I've read about on MMO forums (not this one) and it annoys me that players have to wait as long as they had to before they can get into exciting combat and experience, it felt like a waste to lose out on those players just because of the slog of MSQ, and I've also got friends who quit soon after trying the game due to lack of exciting gameplay at lower levels. I realize however that if they could make you unlock abilities MUCH faster, to the point you have almost your whole kit at lvl 50, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

And I hear complaints from such MMO forums that FFXIV is a Weeb game full of Cat (Now Bunny) Girls. Should The developers make the game less Anime (Whatever the hell that means), remove Ninja and Samurai and Delete the Mi'Qote and Viera from the game to appease these people too?

Here's the problem Little Timmy. There have been Franchises, Companies and entire Genres that have torn thier metaphorical own guts out to appease a mythical "Wider audience" That NEVER EVER materialises. Each of them dead or living on as a husk of their former selves. This isn't hairdressing, one errant snip and this stuff don't grow back. This is why people get defensive of this happening to their game.

I have long since stopped caring about the opinions of people who say "Just". "Why can't they Just?" "All they have to do is Just... "Without thought as too why the game is like that. That the other things in the background that need to JUST be done to even make this work. Like it's flipping a switch on or off. Feedback without thought is meaningless. It's how we get crap like Gordias.

I digressed a bit there, what where we talking about?

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Uggggghhh

Also not sure what you mean with "Still waiting.. " where are you waiting on them? Where do you expect them to show up? Not in the game since MSQ is still very much mandatory. No idea what you mean there.

Because you are slow, lets go slowly.

k

http://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/54501411.html

"The number of active characters decreased by 180,000 from the previous time (1.04 million) to about 860,000 In February 11". However this census was taken on the 6th of April, 4 days before Patch 5.25 which is a lul content period.

Still higher than previous concurrent content lul periods.

I've shown you mine, lets see yours.

This was my response to TC who asked for proof that the game is sustainable and would you look at that proof. Final Fantasy still grows, alive and well for all to see. Since you where going to bat for the TC, in your usual contrarian way, I asked for evidence for stats for all these mythical people who think that the msq is too long and is killing the game. Suddenly there's a outbreak of crickets and tumbleweeds.

They are already fixing the one part that is universally considered a drag. So lets wait until 5.3 to see shall we?

[SamRF]

And I hear complaints from such MMO forums that FFXIV is a Weeb game full of Cat (Now Bunny) Girls. Should The developers make the game less Anime (Whatever the hell that means), remove Ninja and Samurai and Delete the Mi'Qote and Viera from the game to appease these people too?

The difference here is that this would require a major creative refocus on the game if they are to change the weeb aspects. Offering an option to bypass MSQ or unlock content more easily is just that, an option that wouldn't require much resources to implement, so this isn't a good comparison imo. Besides that the weeb game complaints etc is probably made by people who were never going to play this game in the first place, while the complaints about MSQ were from people who actually tried the game and wanted to give it a shot.

One argument I've made before in different thread and maybe another reason why this MSQ barrier annoys me as much as it does, is the fact that the MMO market is pretty crap right now and lots of people are dissatisfied (lots of WoW players too), but they can't get into FFXIV because of this barrier while I believe they'd enjoy this game otherwise since there aren't many that offer this amount of polish and stable quality.

WoW players quitting will find FFXIV a difficult alternative because of the slow combat at the beginning and because of the forced MSQ. I see that most here don't care about that and don't want all those players, but I saw it as wasted potential and was therefore frustrated. Now my view on this has gradually somewhat changed because of some posts in this thread for example and I do understand where you're coming from. Almost even went full 180 on this due to a post a few pages back (responded to it too but added an edit saying where I disagreed ultimately)

Here's the problem Little Timmy. There have been Franchises, Companies and entire Genres that have torn thier metaphorical own guts out to appease a mythical "Wider audience" That NEVER EVER materialises. Each of them dead or living on as a husk of their former selves. This isn't hairdressing, one errant snip and this stuff don't grow back. This is why people get defensive of this happening to their game.

PyurBlue in post above you offered better response to this than I could think of or even understand beforehand. This just seems like an easy way to appease to a wider audience without making any drastic changes. According to you and others just having the voluntary option to unlock content without MSQ (again, not on by default) will change the game's player base into one with different priorities and fast food mentality. I just don't really see this happening, there will be a bigger portion now that doesn't care about MSQ but the story fans will still very much be there, and I believe some of those that initially skipped all will likely just experience the MSQ later on their own pace (e.g. newgame+) but they can do their weekly raids and decent combat content alongside that then so they won't burn out from reading all the time.

For the potential problem with the path of least resistance I had suggested being required to farm something trough combat just to get the possibility to unlock other content without MSQ, to the point it would take more time and effort to farm than to rush trough MSQ skipping reading and cutscenes. This will imo have to be accompanied with unlocking way more of your job kit much earlier so you'll have a more engaging rotation early on.

I get the concern you have but I don't see this in particular to be such a major move to removing your game's identity. It's imo not nearly at the same level as WoW that started offering a group finder for example, which was obviously a move to appease to the masses but changed the game in a much more fundamental way.

This was my response to TC who asked for proof that the game is sustainable and would you look at that proof. Final Fantasy still grows, alive and well for all to see. Since you where going to bat for the TC, in your usual contrarian way, I asked for evidence for stats for all these mythical people who think that the msq is too long and is killing the game. Suddenly there's a outbreak of crickets and tumbleweeds.

Well, I never made this argument and instead offered my own perspective to this issue, linking to a thread I had made a while back. I didn't read your prior posts or don't remember. I never claimed this game to be unsustainable so it's not my argument to defend, I'm not on OP's "team" or whatever and am not accountable for all arguments they used.

That said I do get what OP means. I used to be concerned the discrepancy between players before endgame and players at endgame would get bigger and bigger with each expansion as MSQ stacks with each patch, making it take longer and longer for new players to get to endgame to the point it might become too much of a reach and time investment to get there (we're talking months of gameplay for the average gamer). This may not be the case right now, maybe not even in next expansion, but the expansion after that? Idk. Just imagine the sheer amount of MSQ you'd have to go trough at 7.0 to get to endgame and relevant combat content. There has to be some kind of tipping point of people leaving endgame (for whatever reason) and not enough new players getting there because they're still only at Shadowbringers MSQ for example.

However, I think they will likely introduce a new Final Fantasy MMO before that tipping point is reached. From what I've gathered it's generally accepted that this game isn't meant to last forever and I like it that way tbh. Would rather have an all new game after a period than drag one out forever (like WoW). I've heard FF11 was still very popular when they went into maintenance mode and released FFXIV, same will likely happen to FFXIV?