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    Was Emet Selch our boyfriend? (5.0/5.3 spoilers)

    Multiple cutscenes in 5.3 seem to suggest that Emet Selch was actually Azem's boyfriend. When revisiting old 5.0 cutscenes, it seems canon at this point that Emet Selch was actually Azem's lover/boyfriend. We don't know if Ascians marry but if they do it's also very possible that Emet Selch is Azem's husband.

    1. Emet Selch engages in friendly banter with WoL/Azem



    Emet Selch said this out of nowhere, which seem to imply that Emet Selch expects WoL/Azem to want to engage in friendly banter with him. It's pretty typical for very close friends and lovers to engage in friendly banter with each other. You typically would not engage in friendly banter with mere acquaintances or strangers. What's more it's exceedingly rare for WoL/Azem to actually banter with the Scions (there are at most two or three times when they teased a Scion). So for WoL/Azem to actually banter with Emet Selch in the past kind of hints at a deeper relationship than even what WoL has with the Scions.

    2. Emet Selch and Azem have the same element



    To quote this Reddit post, "Nald'Thal has some functions, but one especially is interesting, he is the keeper of the hell/underworld. Emet Selch is also named Hades, who is a reference to the greek mythology, and is linked to the hell/underworld." At the same time, both Nald'thal and Azeyma have the same element, and we know that Azeyma is just a distortion of Azem. This is another piece of evidence that Emet Selch might be Azem's boyfriend.

    3. Emet Selch senses a hint of you



    With the speculation that other scions could also be sundered Ascians (maybe part of the Twelve that summoned Hydaelyn), it is weird that Emet Selch only sensed WoL/Azem. It's probably because Emet Selch had a very strong bond with you. Hythlodaeus also implicitly hinted so, because he basically portrayed himself like a good friend to a couple (you and Emet Selch).

    4. Emet Selch returned your identity to you



    Hythlodaeus once again told you that you are Azem but most importantly hinted that Emet Selch was the one that gave you your constellation crystal. Although one reason is that he wanted you to help put Elidibus out of his misery, also implicit in this act is a deep trust in your sense of duty and justice and compassion. How would Emet Selch know that you are capable of this? He must have known you well before the sundering. And with him imploring you to remember him, it probably hints at a far deeper relationship than what a surficial reading of the story suggests.
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    It's up to interpretation, but right before the final showdown he says that he will, "reclaim his birthright." And that to me says that he was our literal brother, perhaps fraternal twin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It's up to interpretation, but right before the final showdown he says that he will, "reclaim his birthright." And that to me says that he was our literal brother, perhaps fraternal twin.
    This.^
    Every kind of romantic relationship between any NPC and us is up to your own interpretation.
    Even the devs said that already a few times.
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    Personally, I hope not but i'm okey it being up to everyone's own interpretation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It's up to interpretation, but right before the final showdown he says that he will, "reclaim his birthright." And that to me says that he was our literal brother, perhaps fraternal twin.
    Twin is especially interesting, considering Emet-selch's whole Gemini aspect.
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    I ... have my doubts that he was explicitly our lover.
    It'd mean telling every male WoL out there "you used to be in a homosexual relationship" or "you used to be a different gender".
    A lot of their customers would have a major problem with that, due to unfortunate bigotry. A higher percentage in Japan, too.
    At most, I could see them strongly implying it, but leaving it open to interpretation. With another conclusion being "really good friends".
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    Y'all posting in a troll thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRadley View Post
    Y'all posting in a troll thread.
    ^ correct yet again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    I ... have my doubts that he was explicitly our lover.
    It'd mean telling every male WoL out there "you used to be in a homosexual relationship" or "you used to be a different gender".
    A lot of their customers would have a major problem with that, due to unfortunate bigotry. A higher percentage in Japan, too.
    At most, I could see them strongly implying it, but leaving it open to interpretation. With another conclusion being "really good friends".
    It really is no different than playing a female WoL and learning that Ardbert is a shard of you. The whole Ardbert thing while was great story telling, feels really strange when you have a female WoL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123 View Post
    Multiple cutscenes in 5.3 seem to suggest that Emet Selch was actually Azem's boyfriend. When revisiting old 5.0 cutscenes, it seems canon at this point that Emet Selch was actually Azem's lover/boyfriend. We don't know if Ascians marry but if they do it's also very possible that Emet Selch is Azem's husband.

    ...
    I'm with you on this, as I feel that Emet-Selch was more than a co-worker with Azem, all of 5.0 was leading up to him wanting you to stop him from his work. If you listen carefully, he basically tells you that he wants to believe in mortals, he wants to live as a mortal, he can't stop destroying worlds to bring back Zodiark. In a sense, he sees you as the only one with the right to stop the great work, sure the WOL is the partial reincarnation of Azem, whose gender is the same as the player's Gender. And although they didn't see eye to eye, Emet-Selch and Azem were very close. I would say in his own way Emet-Selch shows love towards the WOL, but it can also be family love. I subscribe to the idea that Emet-Selch is Bi-sexual, and that Azem and he were likely lovers in that time before history. But the evidence can easily be they were brothers... or brother and sister, as the gender of Azem is always the same as the player character.


    Quote Originally Posted by KayRadley View Post
    Y'all posting in a troll thread.
    Although Titanmen is a hardcore Troll, and this is one of his many alts, the subject of the post isn't trollish, and frankly a good place for speculation and fan theories and fan fiction. I would say, your post is more of a Troll this time around than the professional troll who started the thread.
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