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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Being different enough does not necessarily make an ability a good inclusion. As you currently have it described Judgment's usage would have it either being used every minute after the Requisecat burst (which now replaces a Holy Spirit with a Clemency and then follows up Confiteor with Judgement) or once you get max stacks which could take multiple minutes by your description.

    A far simpler method of making Clemency more usable would be to have is grant a simple buff on something like a 30s timer that iincreases the potency of the next Confiteor by the potency of a Holy Spirit (currently 350).
    It would take multiple cycles so definitely not after every req. Mostly to add more distance from Aurora and investment to the spell, as well as giving reason for Judgement to hit harder and look bigger. Another reason why I avoided the more simple, faster, concept like you suggested. Though obviously that could work to the purpose of using clemency more often without being silly to do so (though I worry 30s being way too short, obviously we can play that though ).

    Didn't say it makes it good just because it's different, just that I don't think it's exactly Confiteor. I mean you've got stuff on Red Mage where it sometimes get's double capstones (two big spells one after the other depending on procs), so you might see that here a bit but how one builds and behaves I believe can make it different enough that it isn't just 1:1 Confiteor (maybe Confiteor 3.0 electric boogaloo if really wanted to argue it but then as we simplify stuff I can say that atonment is basically repeated confiteor 2.0).

    Especially as there are mechanical differences like you don't even need to build the spell during requiescat, although that would be ideal due to the instant cast (but for whatever reason if you had to hardcast one your damage loss would be slightly buffered rather than a full loss), you don't need an enemy present, and you don't need to use it right away just ideally within the 60 second, whatever time frame, loop so you don't miss out. Also why I mentioned we could gain another support skill that's different than clemency that could trigger the effect too if for whatever reason clemency is just so uneeded you're doing it because "I have to". And I am totally up for other changes of course.

    Ultimately I just want to see A. clemency /sometimes/ get usage that doesn't annoy healers or drop your damage while also not ruining other tank's specials / becoming OP (Auora on GNB being a close comparison, although have to also imagine other tanks may gain stuff that makes that a lessor concern.. whatever that is) and B. I'd love to continue to see Paladin get big dump spells for damage as I really like the crusader tank vibe where there is consistent marching and then heavy holy wrathful artillery. Was just a two in one here.

    I mean in terms of keeping it simple we could even make it so after you Confiteor your next clemency is instant cast, so every 60 seconds- that's pretty simple. Anytime within 60s you can use clemency once for free oGCD. That keeps it on a decent cooldown, that is also easy to know because it's based on your pre-existing buff window.

    I still would love a big dump spell though lol, and I do like the idea Paladin gets wrath every time his allies are hurt and he has to cure them. I assume SE is going to take whatever suggestion and remix it anyways. Which they should do when considering balance too, I've no idea what other tanks will gain/want- so no idea how to make a skill fair in that situation without knowing that info. So that's why upfront here I just say I want two things next expansion and I think it's fine if they're put together lol, while not crazy about using atonement three times in a row I still quite like Paladin, my favorite job, as it has grown, and have faith in the next remix/growth of it.
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