Should Clemency be nerfed?

[Tranquilmelody7]

In high end content, I feel Clemency is fine and doesn't need adjustments.

In 90% of the game's content however, I feel one skill is overwhelmingly powerful compare to the others - and that is Clemency.

In solo play the skill is powerful it can carry Paladin's through fights that they wouldn't be able to clear otherwise.

In PUGs, the powerful skill can be a very troublesome player trap causing some players to depend on the skill when it rarely is, if not at all necessary with active healers.

I feel balancing skills around solo / casual play is something that should generally be avoided, but I feel Clemency is so strong in those situations that it should warrant an exception.

What do you all think?

[DragonFlyy]

In high end content, I feel Clemency is fine and doesn't need adjustments.

In 90% of the game's content however, I feel one skill is overwhelmingly powerful compare to the others - and that is Clemency.

In solo play the skill is powerful it can carry Paladin's through fights that they wouldn't be able to clear otherwise.

In PUGs, the powerful skill can be a very troublesome player trap causing some players to depend on the skill when it rarely is, if not at all necessary at all with active healers.

I feel balancing skills around solo / casual play is something that should generally be avoided, but I feel Clemency is so strong in those situations that it should warrant an exception.

What do you all think?

Disagree. I wish there were more tank heals like Clemency. Makes my job as a healer easier.

[Hysterior]

I wish there were more tank heals like Clemency. Makes my job as a healer easier.

Tank DPS is usually better than heal. They should be DPSing not healing themselves.

[Morningstar1337]

Disagree. I wish there were more tank heals like Clemency. Makes my job as a healer easier.

Probably one of the reasons OP fearedit being a "player trap". That said...

Tank DPS is usually better than heal. They should be DPSing not healing themselves.

If a Healer or both are dead, then the lifeline is lost (bar a RDM or SMN being in the party), and DPS should then be a secondary concern until their back in their feet (unless its a DPS check, in which case all is usually lost anyway) so having self sustain would be worth it if it can salvage the run and prevent wipes

Otherwise, yeah, Tanks should prioritize DPS, mayhap this is also why OP fears it being a player trap as well

[Morningstar1337]

I kinda think its fine as is (beats having discussions on WAR being the OP tank :P), but then again I think that savaging bad runs and preventing wipes is a good thing.

If being a player trap is a concern, then maybe it should lower aggro a bit, that way overuse will punish the party by have mobs aggrosomeone else (in dungeons, which I presume you're referring to) and have slightly more more utility with tankswaps

[PharisHanasaki]

Disagree. I wish there were more tank heals like Clemency. Makes my job as a healer easier.

Healing is probably the easiest role now.

I dislike it when tanks and rdm start healing themselves when not needed. Leaves me with even less things to do.

[Deceptus]

Healing is probably the easiest role now.

I dislike it when tanks and rdm start healing themselves when not needed. Leaves me with even less things to do.

One of those pure healers huh? If your party members are healthy you should be dpsing.

Tank DPS is usually better than heal. They should be DPSing not healing themselves.

Not by much, they're roughly equal on single target. But on AoE situations, a good healer can do insanely good damage.

[SamRF]

Healing is probably the easiest role now.

I dislike it when tanks and rdm start healing themselves when not needed. Leaves me with even less things to do.

One of those pure healers huh? If your party members are healthy you should be dpsing.

Nothing of what they said indicates that they're a pure healer. Spamming your 1 AoE action without having to do any healing (o)GCDs is not engaging and indeed means you have less to do. RDMs and PLDs using their healing skills robs you of engagement and effort value when edging their health while dpsing as much as possible. When there's a WAR who can basically solo self-heal, you at least know that they aren't wasting any dps doing that and realizing that makes you enjoy the better efficiency instead of being frustrated with the waste of efficiency in the case of a RDM or PLD healing.

[SamRF]

I'd rather have clemency be an oGCD heal which you can cast on players other than yourself as well. This way you'd actually be using it frequently even when playing optimally and you'll be able to express your PLD flavor much more often without sacrificing efficiency (by healing yourself or others).

Imo it should be a very strong heal on a long cooldown, perhaps even something that gets you near full health. I'm reminded of a WoW PLD ability tanks could use every 8 minutes which is just like Benediction. I'd say it shouldn't be like Benediction but still extremely strong potency.

[ReiMakoto]

I never think it will happen cos it would cause a balance nightmare I'd imagine, but I think PLD should get some kind of buff for smart clemency use to essentially "refund" the GCD lost.

Something like: While cast under the effects of req, if the target receiving the healing is under half hp, one holy spirts worth of potency is added to confieteor. That was an observant tank, or good party planning can lose nothing if its used smartly and gain some damage for the healers.