Things would like to not see again, Forced Job, COPY / PASTE and Chaos

[Rabntah]

Hi, I'm an active player from Masamune server and I am very unhappy with the gameplay in which we are being forced to play.

I've played Final Fantasy XI for years, and I want to not be as many players who criticize this game comparing, but I can not understand why this game is begining to take this repetitive and boring dynamic.

Am sorry to have to open a thread to talk about this issues, but I feel that way and I hope the reply to this thread will be possitive.

I feel like we are being forced to play all in the same way, in a predetermined, repetitive and without any incentive to continue playing beyond the terrible idea that someone if does something faster, deserves to get a better reward.

I have leveled all jobs to 50, but I not like to play them all. I like my main. I can switch to other, but am doing this only because without a particular job you can't do a speed run isn't nice.

I want to keep playing, but with my favorite class, not one that I am forced to use.

In my opinion, Speedruns, are the worst that has been done and I hope am not the only one who thinks so.

Speedrun, is worthless, not worth and given an importance that it should not.

I can't enjoy something, which we are not allowed to do things differently than running.

I have enough stress in my daily life to get stressed more in a dungeon, which was poorly designed (if you can call it that to copy / paste) and a weary melody without any spirit that it's the same in ALL the dungeons.

I don't want to run, I want a dungeon that will shed some interesting enemies, that the strategy can be varied, not forced.

I want real music, not this stressful sound that adds nothing to the battle. Am playing with the sound muted thanks to that.

We was told that this game was going to let us to play our way, alone, with some friends, and of course with more people in a linkshell, but today, this is a big lie.

I want to make a dungeon with friends, not by shouting in the city to recruit people who in most cases is baffled by all this rush.

Now we can't do nothing without people, and sometimes you don't have enough. Always 8 people? ALWAYS. Why?

You should adjust the difficulty depending on the number of players that enter.

About the enemies, there is a abusse of chaos, generated by the number of enemies, and that's not really interesting.

Chaos, as has happened with moogles, the mirmydons and accompanying slugs from the Misers Mistress.

I want to really enjoy this game.

[Medura]

Never start a thread with "ive played XI" this is not XI, and people wont read your thread because of it mostly.

On topic:
If you arent enjoying it, why do you play? I enjoy every minute, when i do DH i go with my LS or random people. the point is, i play it my own way. I play as Bard mysellf, noone has EVER forced me to play something else, yeah, i see people that only wants black mages etc on ifrit, not understanding i have mp regen for them, but so what? thats not a party you want anyways, since its not your way of playing, right? Your problem isnt that you cant have it your way. Your problem is that youre rushing things. And if i remember right, you had to wait 6 hours just to get a party in xi, so yeah, you arent pacient at all.

[Mister-Wonderful]

Hi, I'm an active player from Masamune server and I am very unhappy with the gameplay in which we are being forced to play.

I've played Final Fantasy XI for years, and I want to not be as many players who criticize this game comparing, but I can not understand why this game is begining to take this repetitive and boring dynamic.

Am sorry to have to open a thread to talk about this issues, but I feel that way and I hope the reply to this thread will be possitive.

I feel like we are being forced to play all in the same way, in a predetermined, repetitive and without any incentive to continue playing beyond the terrible idea that someone if does something faster, deserves to get a better reward.

I have leveled all jobs to 50, but I not like to play them all. I like my main. I can switch to other, but am doing this only because without a particular job you can't do a speed run isn't nice.

I want to keep playing, but with my favorite class, not one that I am forced to use.

In my opinion, Speedruns, are the worst that has been done and I hope am not the only one who thinks so.

Speedrun, is worthless, not worth and given an importance that it should not.

I can't enjoy something, which we are not allowed to do things differently than running.

I have enough stress in my daily life to get stressed more in a dungeon, which was poorly designed (if you can call it that to copy / paste) and a weary melody without any spirit that it's the same in ALL the dungeons.

I don't want to run, I want a dungeon that will shed some interesting enemies, that the strategy can be varied, not forced.

I want real music, not this stressful sound that adds nothing to the battle. Am playing with the sound muted thanks to that.

We was told that this game was going to let us to play our way, alone, with some friends, and of course with more people in a linkshell, but today, this is a big lie.

I want to make a dungeon with friends, not by shouting in the city to recruit people who in most cases is baffled by all this rush.

Now we can't do nothing without people, and sometimes you don't have enough. Always 8 people? ALWAYS. Why?

You should adjust the difficulty depending on the number of players that enter.

About the enemies, there is a abusse of chaos, generated by the number of enemies, and that's not really interesting.

Chaos, as has happened with moogles, the mirmydons and accompanying slugs from the Misers Mistress.

I want to really enjoy this game.

It sounds like there is nothing you really enjoy in this game. Maybe its time to play something else you do like if you dont enjoy the content this game has to offer.

And lol at chaos from easy content like moogles and the slugs on miser. Try building a strategy against multiple mobs. The chaos comes from poor party preparation. You want every encounter single target and straightforward it sounds like from your post.

[Roj]

Dear OP, can I have ur stuff?

[Frein]

You should adjust the difficulty depending on the number of players that enter.

You can't do this without adjusting the rewards as well, or a group of 8 could simply duo the dungeon for 4x the rewards.

Anyway, I agree that the speedrun mechanic is dumb. Completing content quickly is a reward in itself and there is no need to make it the primary objective. Forcing speed leads to unintended consequences like having to skip any and all cutscenes and running past (read: through) enemies whenever possible. It also discourages class diversity in groups.

[Medura]

You can't do this without adjusting the rewards as well, or a group of 8 could simply duo the dungeon for 4x the rewards.

Anyway, I agree that the speedrun mechanic is dumb. Completing content quickly is a reward in itself and there is no need to make it the primary objective. Forcing speed leads to unintended consequences like having to skip any and all cutscenes and running past (read: through) enemies whenever possible. It also discourages class diversity in groups.

well, the speed run chests normally doesnt give as good loot as the others, so i guess it balances. Though, are you able to get all chests, then id say youve earned that extra speedrun chest fair and well. But yeah, ou dont need to speedrun, you have a choice.
Though, even though im saying this, i wish they took the limit off and put another chest for for example cleaning the whole dungeon or something like that. Would make lots of different ways to do it.

[Tibian]

I feel like we are being forced to play all in the same way, in a predetermined, repetitive and without any incentive to continue playing beyond the terrible idea that someone if does something faster, deserves to get a better reward.

I have leveled all jobs to 50, but I not like to play them all. I like my main. I can switch to other, but am doing this only because without a particular job you can't do a speed run isn't nice.

I want to keep playing, but with my favorite class, not one that I am forced to use.

Agreed with all statements. I enjoy playing mages, not melee. With that being said, XIV's "classist restrictions" are much less limiting than XI. With the job update, I don't feel the need to level all my classes to 50 because SE is forced to adapt to JOB play, and not require everyone to have the same set of sub-abilities. I do agree that speed runs are creating job stacking groups (Ie: Stacking monk on AV/Archer on DD and Moogle/Warrior on CC.)

Part of this problem lies with the terrible server mechanics that are going to be fixed in 2.0, and part of it lies with SE and damage balance.

Rest assured though, this is getting far better with each patch.

In my opinion, Speedruns, are the worst that has been done and I hope am not the only one who thinks so.

Speedrun, is worthless, not worth and given an importance that it should not.

Speed run in the essence of DD is worthless. You shouldn't run through 99% of mobs just to get a chest. Speed runs should be utilized as a method for encourage players to play efficiently. This means loot cannot be restricted to speed run only. Successfully completing a speed run should reward players with another chest that has a chance to drop any gear from the dungeon.

I don't want to run, I want a dungeon that will shed some interesting enemies, that the strategy can be varied, not forced.

I think there is room for "speedy dungeons." Not many (if any) other MMOs have used this type of dungeon speed run. I would appreciate a more relaxed dungeon though -- and definitely more UNTIMED dungeons. There can be a healthy mixture of the two.

I want real music, not this stressful sound that adds nothing to the battle. Am playing with the sound muted thanks to that.

Completely agree. I don't know why all the dungeons use the same music. I was pretty disappointed when the same track kept being recycled. I'd appreciate unique tracks for dungeons. Hopefully 2.0 can deliver.

We was told that this game was going to let us to play our way, alone, with some friends, and of course with more people in a linkshell, but today, this is a big lie.

I want to make a dungeon with friends, not by shouting in the city to recruit people who in most cases is baffled by all this rush.

Now we can't do nothing without people, and sometimes you don't have enough. Always 8 people? ALWAYS. Why?

The dungeon party requirements are being altered in the next patch for lesser numbers of players. To be honest though, these instances are catered to party oriented mechanics... I don't have a solution for you here or any words of advice.

You should adjust the difficulty depending on the number of players that enter.

This would take too much development time to create when most people can accept that instances are generally meant for party play.

About the enemies, there is a abusse of chaos, generated by the number of enemies, and that's not really interesting.

Pretty indifferent on this. I admit in several MMOs that I tend to hate bosses with "adds" because I don't feel they contribute to the overall mechanic of the fight. But that is what the fight is. A health dose of organization is required and it attributes a difficult and worthwhile challenge.

Chaos, as has happened with moogles, the mirmydons and accompanying slugs from the Misers Mistress.

I want to really enjoy this game.

Well practiced groups do not have chaos with Moogles or the slugs. And again, part of this chaos is due to the poor server response times that are promised to be fixed in 2.0.

[Enfarious]

So aside from opening with I played FFXI, which is probably why people have responded so negatively up to now.
You aren't wrong, forcing speed runs is obnoxious.
After reading that whole post I saw something different in it, but as I have played nearly every FF to date, I can say that as a franchise this game is a broken link. It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.

Even in XI I got "forced" to play certain jobs often, "forced" meaning that a pt would ask me to play one of the jobs that'll be helpful. That's not gonna go away. If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun. Being at the finish faster than the trip to the start is ... premature [pick a word] and who wants that?

[Atoli]

It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.
If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Welcome to a world in which you are NOT the only player
It's an MMORPG, other people may take whatever class they want to take, and if they want a tank they have every right to only take tanks.
You are not forced to join their party.
Heck, if you want to play only BLM, fine! Build your own party and YOU will be the one to decide what you need. And when you filled your party with 7/8 DDs and healers, I bet you'll only take a PLD or warrior for the last spot, too.

Also..you can't compare an MMORPG with offline FF titles.
The mechanics are completely different since offline titles only have to cater to solo players while the world of an MMO is always populated by dozens of players which will meet, interact, and so on.
But even if we ignore that and only look at "what worked in the previous offline FF titles": In many your characters had a certain job or class which could not be switched to something else, and even if you had the chance to change it you probably were still forced to have different kinds of fighters in your party because 4 whitemages made you wipe during every bossfight.
So you were also forced to have a melee DD and whatever in those older games, even if you only enjoyed healing and buffing.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun.

These are the things I do in FFXIV everyday.
All 3 things you mentioned are stuff the player does, they are not provided by a game. You can do stuff differently in FFXIV, you may take all the time in the world and totally immerse yourself in what you are doing, it's perfectly possible by the game mechanics.
If you decide to do it or not is a decision only you can make.
To me, you sound like someone too lazy and too afraid to play in your own way, and you blame the game for it.
You join other parties instead of building your own, then compain about them wanting you to play another class than what you want to play and them fighting differently than you want to do it.

I play with friends all the time, we build our own parties, sometimes invite a few strangers, and WE make the rules.
We decide which classes to bring, which monsters to kill.
I never even once felt FORCED to a certain playstyle in this game.
But that's because I actually DO something instead of whining why things dont turn out the way I want them to when I do nothing to make them the way I like.

[Enfarious]

So aside from opening with I played FFXI, which is probably why people have responded so negatively up to now.
You aren't wrong, forcing speed runs is obnoxious.
After reading that whole post I saw something different in it, but as I have played nearly every FF to date, I can say that as a franchise this game is a broken link. It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.

Even in XI I got "forced" to play certain jobs often, "forced" meaning that a pt would ask me to play one of the jobs that'll be helpful. That's not gonna go away. If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun. Being at the finish faster than the trip to the start is ... premature [pick a word] and who wants that?

Is the above really the one you want to attack?

Welcome to a world in which you are NOT the only player
It's an MMORPG, other people may take whatever class they want to take, and if they want a tank they have every right to only take tanks.
You are not forced to join their party.

Umm reread my post, I just said "If they need/want something other than what you are your not going. Your attacking something by agreeing with me lol. If you got from what I said that I'm implying that people should cater to me, again reread my post, I DO NOT expect to be catered to by anyone, I DO however expect people to not lash out with this level of idiocy.

Heck, if you want to play only BLM, fine! Build your own party and YOU will be the one to decide what you need. And when you filled your party with 7/8 DDs and healers, I bet you'll only take a PLD or warrior for the last spot, too.

Still just reread that post cause again, your arguing on the same side as me, if your so angry that your blind to what I said and just want something to attack then that's fine. More power to you.

Also..you can't compare an MMORPG with offline FF titles.
The mechanics are completely different since offline titles only have to cater to solo players while the world of an MMO is always populated by dozens of players which will meet, interact, and so on.
But even if we ignore that and only look at "what worked in the previous offline FF titles": In many your characters had a certain job or class which could not be switched to something else, and even if you had the chance to change it you probably were still forced to have different kinds of fighters in your party because 4 whitemages made you wipe during every bossfight.
So you were also forced to have a melee DD and whatever in those older games, even if you only enjoyed healing and buffing.

I have to say though, this argument supports mine with "passion". I didn't compare XIV to offline ones directly, just stated that the FF franchise has been alive and well for years, and now there's this cancer growing in it called "let's get to the end faster"

These are the things I do in FFXIV everyday.
All 3 things you mentioned are stuff the player does, they are not provided by a game. You can do stuff differently in FFXIV, you may take all the time in the world and totally immerse yourself in what you are doing, it's perfectly possible by the game mechanics.
If you decide to do it or not is a decision only you can make.
To me, you sound like someone too lazy and too afraid to play in your own way, and you play the game for it.
You join other parties instead of building your own, then compain about them wanting you to play another class than what you want to play and them fighting differently than you want to do it.

I play with friends all the time, we build our own parties, sometimes invite a few strangers, and WE make the rules.
We decide which classes to bring, which monsters to kill.
I never even once felt FORCED to a certain playstyle in this game.
But that's because I actually DO something instead of whining why things dont turn out the way I want them to when I do nothing to make them the way I like.

Ok so in closing here ...
aside from wondering if you meant to /quote me or someone else, I'm thinking that you are not a lawyer. A part of me actually kind of hopes that you just got me all upside down because you don't sound stupid, but how you could get so many different pieces of what I said so far off center is confusing the shit outta me.

First: I don't rush, I've never been PL'd and chances are I won't be, I have friends that I play with and don't hope people will do things for me.
Second: "Forced" as I said in the old post that you should be rereading, all the words of said post mind you, to play a job due to it being what is needed does happen, if I can be PLD and a pt needs PLD and they're 7/8 and they "ask" me to run w/ them as PLD, well I'm going as PLD or not going. If you somehow read this as "God I hate this game I can never do what I want" you need to remove your blinders.
Third: When I'm not actually doing things with friends/ls members I do not sit anywhere and whine, I go and do other things that I want to.

I think maybe you meant to /quote the OP which made most of what you said make sense, but really you did a damn fine job of supporting my post. you just need to /quote the whole thing. Paraphrasing me to make your arguments appear sane and rational does not make them sane and rational.

Thankyou though you've actually given me something fun to do for the last few minutes.