Remove melee throw weapon abilities?

[bass9020]

With how the game is now, rushing and zerging through yawn fest dungeons and less tactical boss fights is there any reason to still have the throwing weapon ability for DRG, NIN and SAM(more so the level that they get the skills at)

The reason I bring this up is, DRG doesn't get their first aoe ability until level 40 and NIN does not get theirs until level 38! Both MNK and SAM get aoe skills fairly early on in there leveling kit. Why not instead of having the level 15 class quest be throwing weapons allow DRG and NIN to get there first aoe skills at that level? Most of the time I never see people use the throwing attack and at most it would be for more min maxers who only care about uptime.

[Ramura_Sono]

Only if you let both monk and samurai have their first aoe at 15 too.

[bass9020]

Only if you let both monk and samurai have their first aoe at 15 too.

I totally meant to say that in my post but forgot im sorry! ^^

[Tint]

While niche, these skills are pretty usefull when you are solo in deep dungeon or Eureka or even in the open world while doing your story or fates. You can pull single enemies with these skills without running into the pack and risk to pull all of them and get killed.

[bass9020]

While niche, these skills are pretty usefull when you are solo in deep dungeon or Eureka or even in the open world while doing your story or fates. You can pull single enemies with these skills without running into the pack and risk to pull all of them and get killed.

Fair enough, at the very least a different level for them would be better

[Videra]

Let's not remove more things than have already been lost.

Signed, a Scholar main.

[bass9020]

Let's not remove more things than have already been lost.

Signed, a Scholar main.

replaced and or moved to a different level seems more ideal, yes.

[CKNovel]

I don't think they should remove the "throw" or "melee-ranged" abilities but instead upgrade them.

They should not interrupt combo, that's already what makes them impractical.
In my opinion, they should be a combo, a 2 GCD combo filling gauge/resetting buff duration like current AoE combo actually do.

The tricky part would be to balance these abilities to make sure they're not a big loss, but strong enough to cover the moments where melees needs to take more risks than casters/ranged to just hit the boss.
It could be like the GNB's second combo, the first GCD is on an independant cooldown. Even with the current "Throw" not breaking combos, I doubt they would be used more than once every 30s.

I see two scenarios:
-Cooldown based GCD with a follow-up/special effect (Ex: Increase by XX potency your next melee GCD)
-Ranged Combo with gauge/self-buff refresh effect.

In any cases, ranged abilities for melees should not interrupt their combos.

[Akiudo]

I don't think they should remove the "throw" or "melee-ranged" abilities but instead upgrade them.

They should not interrupt combo, that's already what makes them impractical.
In my opinion, they should be a combo, a 2 GCD combo filling gauge/resetting buff duration like current AoE combo actually do.

The tricky part would be to balance these abilities to make sure they're not a big loss, but strong enough to cover the moments where melees needs to take more risks than casters/ranged to just hit the boss.
It could be like the GNB's second combo, the first GCD is on an independant cooldown. Even with the current "Throw" not breaking combos, I doubt they would be used more than once every 30s.

I see two scenarios:
-Cooldown based GCD with a follow-up/special effect (Ex: Increase by XX potency your next melee GCD)
-Ranged Combo with gauge/self-buff refresh effect.

In any cases, ranged abilities for melees should not interrupt their combos.

i wouldn't even make it so complicated, just buff them slighly/give some where non exist right now and make it so they don't interrupt combos, while where at it do the same for tanks, melees really don't need to have ranged rotations or whatever, just making it so that being out of range sucks slightly less than it does right now would totally do the trick

[SamRF]

I don't think they should remove the "throw" or "melee-ranged" abilities but instead upgrade them.

They should not interrupt combo, that's already what makes them impractical.
In my opinion, they should be a combo, a 2 GCD combo filling gauge/resetting buff duration like current AoE combo actually do.

The tricky part would be to balance these abilities to make sure they're not a big loss, but strong enough to cover the moments where melees needs to take more risks than casters/ranged to just hit the boss.
It could be like the GNB's second combo, the first GCD is on an independant cooldown. Even with the current "Throw" not breaking combos, I doubt they would be used more than once every 30s.

I see two scenarios:
-Cooldown based GCD with a follow-up/special effect (Ex: Increase by XX potency your next melee GCD)
-Ranged Combo with gauge/self-buff refresh effect.

In any cases, ranged abilities for melees should not interrupt their combos.

I think the fact that they do disrupt combo makes it a little more interesting as well as satisfying when you manage to finish a combo right before having to move away. It also give more value to the Skill Speed substat. I believe melee should still mostly be melee, they'd be half ranged if those throwing abilities didn't break combo and had a combo of themselves, it imo removes some of the charm of being a melee and I think you can expect an overall dps nerf to compensate for their ability to have no downtime at all without sacrificing anything.