Does Square intend to address Market botting?

[Sauteed]

Would it be possible to file a lawsuit against SE for failure to enforce its TOS?

getting really tired of these bots. We need a way to light a fire under their asses and show them their is actual repercussions for allowing bots to run rampant like this.

I don't think you would get much traction doing that. Short of potentially getting yourself banned by taking to social media and blowing it up so that it is a giant egg in their face I don't think much will change. Even then I don't think you'll get much traction either.

[Nixxe]

Would it be possible to file a lawsuit against SE for failure to enforce its TOS?

getting really tired of these bots. We need a way to light a fire under their asses and show them their is actual repercussions for allowing bots to run rampant like this.

Not a lawyer, but probably not. Aside from the fact that you agreed to arbitration as part of the ToS, I believe the following means any such case would be DoA:

11.2 Disclaimer of Warranties. ASIDE FROM THE EXPRESS WARRANTY PROVIDED WITH THE SOFTWARE, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, SQUARE ENIX EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, REGARDING THE GAME SOFTWARE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NONINFRINGEMENT. SQUARE ENIX IS MAKING THE GAME AVAILABLE "AS IS" WITHOUT ANY FURTHER WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND. YOU ASSUME THE RISK OF ANY AND ALL DAMAGE OR LOSS FROM USE OF, OR INABILITY TO USE, THE GAME. SQUARE ENIX DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE GAME WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR THAT THE OPERATION OF THE GAME WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE.

[Kes13a]

Would it be possible to file a lawsuit against SE for failure to enforce its TOS?

getting really tired of these bots. We need a way to light a fire under their asses and show them their is actual repercussions for allowing bots to run rampant like this.

I do not think that a lawsuit like that would really go far, or do much. its their house and their rules, ToS agreements are usually written to cover such things

plus, their weekly reports, while vague in the extreme, would show attempts by them to curb the bots.

the only thing you could really do is be, or befirend, a large YouTuber or streamer and start having them do things on how bad botting is
dropping sales and subscription rates as well as reputation that cheaters prosper in their game and can make real money doing it... will be the only metric they understand

[Eriane_Elis]

It's just a game, and every game there will be griefers whether they are real people or not. But in the past few weeks I've been really undercutting people and keeping near a summoning bell / mb a lot. Not anymore because I'm tired of trying but I'd be really quick at changing prices. Some people might appear to be botting, but that's not the case in all cases. So it's hard to determine. I'd like to believe some of my competitors are botting but I can't prove it and I won't report them either. Just keep pushing that summoning bell and hope for the best. I can't tell you how many times I lost a sell by an undercutter who undercut a few seconds before me lol!

[Sauteed]

It's just a game, and every game there will be griefers whether they are real people or not. But in the past few weeks I've been really undercutting people and keeping near a summoning bell / mb a lot. Not anymore because I'm tired of trying but I'd be really quick at changing prices. Some people might appear to be botting, but that's not the case in all cases. So it's hard to determine. I'd like to believe some of my competitors are botting but I can't prove it and I won't report them either. Just keep pushing that summoning bell and hope for the best. I can't tell you how many times I lost a sell by an undercutter who undercut a few seconds before me lol!

I was doing that a little but fed up with the competition and just poured like a mighty amount on the mb and dropped prices to a a fraction of the cost to agitate people who were undercutting me by like 1 over and over.. I think they got the point then. I still hit that same product from time to time and chuckle quietly in the dark of my man cave.

[Kes13a]

I think no one who is serious about the market and who spends a lot of time there is worried abotu people who stand on the summoning bell, it what I do, and I know, just as I am sure you did, that at some point, they'll sleep, they'll eat and you have a window where yours will be the lowest price and you might make a sale

thats not who the thread is about. lets face it, its the crafters version of pvp, and for me, as close as I'll get.

the thread is about the 24/7 "people", that never sleep, eat, leave the keyboard. just like the other style of pvp players dont like bots in their area, why should we like bots in ours?

there is no satisfaction in dropping the price 1gil, 1000 gil or even 10000 gil because the bots dont care, they wont think you are crazy, they just undercut by a gil again.

at this stage I am thinking the bots and RMT rings are run by SE to provide a revenue stream. little other explanation for letting them run without consequences

[NamidaTekika]

I was doing that a little but fed up with the competition and just poured like a mighty amount on the mb and dropped prices to a a fraction of the cost to agitate people who were undercutting me by like 1 over and over.. I think they got the point then. I still hit that same product from time to time and chuckle quietly in the dark of my man cave.

You probably crashed it below their floor price so they stopped really. Since the bots kinda go "if it is below this, don't update" I've been doing that on a lot of items lately once I see a particular bot in a market, I'll flood it with like 30 of an item at 1/3 its price to just force it to never sell stuff.

[Sauteed]

You probably crashed it below their floor price so they stopped really. Since the bots kinda go "if it is below this, don't update" I've been doing that on a lot of items lately once I see a particular bot in a market, I'll flood it with like 30 of an item at 1/3 its price to just force it to never sell stuff.

It is possible. I don't know much about how they set any of it up but I got the feeling some of them might have been legit humans but I do agree bots are a serious problem all over the game. Have not noticed as many out in the world lately at least in various primal worlds lately but they are all over the mb and standing around at the grand company or standing by main city aetherites too.

[NamidaTekika]

It is possible. I don't know much about how they set any of it up but I got the feeling some of them might have been legit humans but I do agree bots are a serious problem all over the game. Have not noticed as many out in the world lately at least in various primal worlds lately but they are all over the mb and standing around at the grand company or standing by main city aetherites too.

Ya I've got three crafter bots in my sights that I try to go through various markets to hunt and crash the prices on them. I've tried sending them multiple tells as well and never get a response even though they are on for multi-day spans (i've had FC mates who are on at my sleep hours check them) and they never leave their apartment. I've tracked and reported a large number of gathering bots who again I've watched, followed about, attempted to interact with on multiple occasions over multiple hours and even tried opening trades and other things to get a response, never do they just keep doing their thing for again...days on end and always the same thing for months.

The bot enforcement/handling is pretty abyssmal.

[Charlotte_Wells]

It is possible. I don't know much about how they set any of it up but I got the feeling some of them might have been legit humans but I do agree bots are a serious problem all over the game. Have not noticed as many out in the world lately at least in various primal worlds lately but they are all over the mb and standing around at the grand company or standing by main city aetherites too.

From what i noticed: Each world i've seen yet has 1 or 2 crafters which are running an MB Bot that uses 8 characters with 2-8 retainers each. As they dont offer an item twice this results in an insane amount of inventory slots so that they can "occupy" almost any relevant slot.