Does Square intend to address Market botting?

[Prrringles]

Just a general tip here. You don't have to give up crafting or selling things but just don't try and fight them. You can for a bit but you won't win. You will get burned out and salty while they are relaxing and not even know you exist. Forget about crafting end-game items. My advice is to just sell only a few items at once. Craft 1 or 2 different glamour items and focus on selling those. The less you sell, the less you have to compete with bots. Glamour always sells (fast) and is generally good profit. Next to that try to flip some items if you have the gil to burn. I usually buy 1 or 2 mounts "cheap" and repost them on the MB (talking about the Dodo, Eldt, Petrel and Night Pegasus here). They don't sell overnight but it's good profit and generally not much competition. I still make millions this way if I want to and so can you.

Secret bonus tip: I noticed there is a type of lvl 80 gear bots don't seem to be selling. I craft that and sell it for weeks already without any competition. Practically free to craft too. Can't say what for obvious reasons but have a look on your local MB. Just post it and forget it. It will sell and make a nice profit with basically zero effort.

[ItMe]

What if you functionally cannot?

And what if, worse, it basically obstructs the gameplay of others to try??

Part ways with it.
Stop engaging with something making you that miserable.
If it's that upsetting and interfering with how you function it needs to be left in the dust.

And I don't understand that last part.
What do you mean?
You are obstructing the gameplay of others by trying?

[Angelhearth]

I don't think we're talking about the same person.

There was a lawsuit -- here, lemme go find something here...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/5-.../1100-6214710/

Spelled the name wrong: Leong vs. Square-Enix.

That lawsuit was about the subscription and payment of such and not even close to what we're talking about here, in my opinion.

[Angelhearth]

Personally I put up the stuff my retainers get back to me at a normal price (and never, ever below 5000 gil), and the stuff I craft is out there at normal prices. With this strategy, and 5x9 retainers out on quick explorations, I make over 1 million a day, even with the bots, AND, not to forget, players who think it's a good idea to dump the prices and utterly destroying the market. You are actually worse than the bots, because they might flood the market, but you are the ones that destroys it.

[Arch58]

At around 6am or so this morning a quick player search revealed over 200 players named “bfdyhjwop clpdeepja” or similar running around Louisoix server. TWO HUNDRED!!! They were all level 54-56, White Mage or Bard and seemed to be in groups of 10 or so.

Sent report....standard reply redirecting me to STF.

This is no longer a”problem” ...... it’s an infestation.

[Prrringles]

...but you are the ones that destroys it.

Cause and effect man. I only ran 8 retainers and could not afford to just post and forget on 45 retainers. Dumping cheap is proven strategy to make gil fast. It only effects a small part of the market short term. Anyway, it's either that or not selling anything cos of the scripted bots. When I used to dump 100 items for cheap they sold within a few hours max. Does not destroy anything and only effected a few items. Market resets after the dump. I made an easy million or two and business as usual after that. Everyone wins (especially me).

This is no longer a”problem” ...... it’s an infestation.

Dude, those Louisoix bots are also on Moogle. I see them in groups..underground..killing enemies ON the ground. SE surely must be able to monitor this. It's obvious they don't care. Same shit in FFXI man. FFXI was/is a bot fest. SE cares only about their RP fantasy, not any market/economy/crafters. How much proof does everyone need SE doesn't care?" SE reminds me of that Iraqi general claiming there were no Americans in Baghdad in 2003 because the Iraqi army crushed them all....Yeah...no..sorry SE.

[Jojoya]

At around 6am or so this morning a quick player search revealed over 200 players named “bfdyhjwop clpdeepja” or similar running around Louisoix server. TWO HUNDRED!!! They were all level 54-56, White Mage or Bard and seemed to be in groups of 10 or so.

Sent report....standard reply redirecting me to STF.

This is no longer a”problem” ...... it’s an infestation.

That's nothing unusual. Those are the usual disposable RMT farming bots, SE bans thousands of those a week.

Most of this discussion is about the market bots that are getting gil through selling to players on the MB. There are far fewer bots involved in the market though there are still some.

[Angelhearth]

Cause and effect man. I only ran 8 retainers and could not afford to just post and forget on 45 retainers. Dumping cheap is proven strategy to make gil fast. It only effects a small part of the market short term. Anyway, it's either that or not selling anything cos of the scripted bots. When I used to dump 100 items for cheap they sold within a few hours max. Does not destroy anything and only effected a few items. Market resets after the dump. I made an easy million or two and business as usual after that. Everyone wins (especially me).



Dude, those Louisoix bots are also on Moogle. I see them in groups..underground..killing enemies ON the ground. SE surely must be able to monitor this. It's obvious they don't care. Same shit in FFXI man. FFXI was/is a bot fest. SE cares only about their RP fantasy, not any market/economy/crafters. How much proof does everyone need SE doesn't care?" SE reminds me of that Iraqi general claiming there were no Americans in Baghdad in 2003 because the Iraqi army crushed them all....Yeah...no..sorry SE.

And when everyone thinks like that? Have you bothered comparing now and then prices on some of the items? Take 2 of the absolute worst, Alexander Miniature and Stuffed Alpha. They used to sell for 100K and above. These days you get them so cheap it's actually way better to de-synthesize them. All because everyone thinks 200 gil is better than nothing.- Well, it isn't, it destroys the market, and it's way better, for everyone to vendor them, to show SE that this isn't the way to do things. I post them for 5k or de-synthesize. Hell, there's even things selling on the MB that will fetch much higher prices if you vendor them, especially different parts of houses. I think the reason I earn as much as I do, in this crappy market, is because I take fair prices, and sooner or later that item will be the cheapest to buy. The market has gotten back, a little, and some items actually sell pretty well, at almost old prices.

[ItMe]

Take 2 of the absolute worst, Alexander Miniature and Stuffed Alpha. They used to sell for 100K and above. These days you get them so cheap it's actually way better to de-synthesize them. All because everyone thinks 200 gil is better than nothing.- Well, it isn't, it destroys the market, [...]

And how exactly is that bad?
Honest question.

[Wrestlefire769]

That lawsuit was about the subscription and payment of such and not even close to what we're talking about here, in my opinion.

The decision went beyond that, into realms which are.