Does Square intend to address Market botting?

[Kes13a]

As with most things in life, different people have different views. If Nixxe and Jojoya dont see any issues, that is entirely possible depending on how they play. everyone is going to have a different value on if something in game adversely affects them or not. much like any discussion, both sides have different opinions and standards on what the problem is and how SE should address it. This thread is mostly about if SE was going to do something about it or not, so its natural on a public forum that we will get dissenting views on it, and with those views may get some who are less than respectful in how they express their views. it may make them harder to read, but, they are still valid.

Jojoya, in context for what I wrote earlier, it is deemed "bot friendly" because SE has zero client side monitoring, and the chances of being banned are miniscule unless they do something "stupid". stupid being use of teleport hacks, leaving it on 24/7, crafting in a public place etc. I am not sure if that provides enough context for you. Blizzard has client side monitoring for 3rd party programs, does that eliminate botting? no, there are ways around that and people use those, but it does catch and deter the people that are not "professionals" which does lessen the problem somewhat. it is difficult to say if that approach would work here, or if it should even be implemented.

I do think that a 4 person STF team would be adequate for the Japanese player base of around 250,000 active players. However it seems ALL reports go through them so thats about 650,000 active accounts worldwide. The reports to the STF in Japan would need to be translated, and we all know translation can cause its own issues. For that reason each region, Japan, NA and Europe should have its own teams for sheer efficiency. I cannot imagine how many reports they receive, but I would think that the 4 people in Japan are always operating on a backlog since each case would require some form of investigation. in short, I feel 4 people is not nearly enough for what is required.

[Jojoya]

Jojoya, in context for what I wrote earlier, it is deemed "bot friendly" because SE has zero client side monitoring, and the chances of being banned are miniscule unless they do something "stupid". stupid being use of teleport hacks, leaving it on 24/7, crafting in a public place etc. .

Thanks, that was the information I was looking for.

I do think that a 4 person STF team would be adequate for the Japanese player base of around 250,000 active players. However it seems ALL reports go through them so thats about 650,000 active accounts worldwide. The reports to the STF in Japan would need to be translated, and we all know translation can cause its own issues. For that reason each region, Japan, NA and Europe should have its own teams for sheer efficiency. I cannot imagine how many reports they receive, but I would think that the 4 people in Japan are always operating on a backlog since each case would require some form of investigation. in short, I feel 4 people is not nearly enough for what is required.

It's possible that the STF is understaffed and could use a few more on the team. I don't know if that number 4 that gets circulated is entirely accurate because I've only seen it coming from players and not SE. It could be there are others working with the STF but are in the game credits under different headings or not listed at all.

I still don't see how separate teams are needed for each region instead of putting them all on the same team working together.

Translation from English is not a problem for the Japanese team members. English is a compulsory subject in the school system there and they usually understand it quite well even if they can't speak it vwell (I was the same way with Spanish when I was younger).

German and French? I don't know the team's fluency in those language but there are SE employees who are fluent and able to translate as needed.

As for the number of players in each region, that's irrelevant. There aren't half a million players using bots. SE doesn't need enough employees to monitor every single account. They only need to monitor the ones showing suspicious behavior and they will have tools to identify and flag those based on login/logout patterns, frequency of activity, etc. in addition to the player reports they get.

If the bot defenders want to help us with that, then so be it!

Quit acting childish. I don't see anyone here who's trying to defend bots. They're trying to discuss the problem from the personal experience and knowledge they've gained through years of playing MMOs and competing in the player marketplaces of those games.

You can encourage others to block out differing (not even dissenting, just differing) points of view all you want, and all you accomplish is seal yourself up in an echo chamber of ignorance bewildered by why everyone you're willing to listen to agrees with you but the world doesn't became what you want.

[TheLoveJenovan]

Following the weekly Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT & Other Illicit Activities, I've sent in a summary of the bots we've found to the STF.

Dear Special Task Force,

There are thousands of bots on North American and European servers that have been running for 3 months to 2.5 years. Many of us have quit because the bots ruin major parts of the game, like the market board. Since the Special Task Force is only 4 people, we as a community would like to help you identify bots by reporting a weekly list of unbanned bots. To date, we have identified 63 bot rings including 240 dummy accounts for the bot Free Companies. We ask that you ban these bots, the dummy accounts and remove these fake Free Companies to prevent a resurgence, which has happened when a bot is banned but not the bot Free Company.

We will send an updated list every week on Thursday, after the "Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT.”

- Bot rings not terminated: 63
- Accounts associated with bot FCs: 240
- Oldest bot account: 957 days

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Most bots are confirmed in game using methods listed in the spreadsheet. Unconfirmed bots are easily found from top-50 FC rankings on each server.

Thank you,

North American and Europe FFXIV Anti-Bot Community
https://discord.gg/4usVDw
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Market-botting

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親愛なる特別タスクフォース、

北米とヨーロッパのサーバーには、3か月から2。5年にわたって実行されている何千ものボットがあります。ボットがマーケットボードのようなゲームの主要部分を台無しにするため、私たちの多くは辞めました。特別タスクフォースのメンバーは4人しかないため、コミュニティとして、禁止されていないボットのリストを毎週報告することで、ボットの特定を支援したいと考えています。現在までに、ボットフリーカンパニーの240のダミーアカウントを含む63のボットリングを特定しました。これらのボット、ダミーアカウントを禁止し、これらの偽のフリーカンパニーを削除して、ボットが禁止されたときに発生したがボットフリーカンパニーではない復活を防ぐようお願いします。

「ゲーム内RMTに対して取られた措置」の後、毎週木曜日に更新されたリストを送信します。

-ボットリングが終了していません：67
-ボットFCに関連付けられたアカウント：276
-最も古いボットアカウント：958日（2。6年）

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ほとんどのボットは、スプレッドシートにリストされている方法を使用してゲームで確認されます。未確認のボットは、各サーバーの上位50のFCランキングから簡単に見つかります。

ありがとうございました、

北米およびヨーロッパのFFXIVアンチボットコミュニティ