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    Nixx Delumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoveJenovan View Post
    Finally, I take issue that the bots provide a service by offering low-level items at a cheaper price
    "Service" would imply a value judgment here. I'm just stating a fact of the economy. High end sellers transition away from gathering or crafting a lot of their own stuff, instead buying what they need from the board to quickly transform it into something more valuable and then sell that instead for a higher profit and a reduced time investment. Since bots tend to flood lower end markets, this pushes down profits for low end sellers, while increasing profits for high end sellers because the items they sell are not leashed to their replacement cost.

    And I've been shown the first link before and previously agreed it was good evidence of a bot. It's just one bot though, which isn't good enough to prove the abotcalypse people keep demanding I believe in. I'm not denying that any market board bots exist, only that they're as prevalent as the forums believe because even when I show up to markets people assure me are bots all the way down (e.g. aesthete's), my own experience does not match the hysterical claims I read on the forums. I find I am able to sell things normally, and that all of the "botting" is just the aggregate of the activities of numerous and largely incompetent competitors.

    Likewise, while it's strange that an FC with essentially one person in it is as high as that one, I don't think FC rankings are especially competitive. My own FC is kept in the top 100 more or less entirely through the actions of one member who logs on more often than not, does duties for an hour or two, and then logs off. The rest of the FC basically logs on once a week to raid, and my actions usually don't contribute much to credit generation. If two of us matched the efforts of the first one, we'd be in the top 20 in an FC of 16 "active members" (note: active members just means characters. My FC has 12 players, 4 alts, and several of the players have been unsubbed for over a year now) even though it would reflect the actions of only 3 of us. We're currently 97, and there are numerous FCs with nearly 100 members beneath us. FC credits just don't tell me much about what people are doing, though that FC with 487 people is probably more of a graveyard than anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auriya View Post
    A very important point that you are so obviously missing here is that this thread is not made to convince other players about our experiences . It's a thread– like earlier mentioned – where players share experiences with other players with similar experiences. When other players contribute to this thread I'm curious to hear what experiences they have had ingame and how it has affected their gaming experience in general and to collect more evidence.
    What you're describing is an echo chamber where you can all talk about how much you agree with each other and not have to suffer the burden of needing to actually be correct about any of it.
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    Last edited by Nixxe; 10-08-2020 at 08:20 AM.