Quote Originally Posted by Auriya View Post
I keep on wondering though why the same few on this forum are so eager and persistent in claiming that there is no market board bot problem..gives food for thought
The implication of course being that I'm botting and/or buying gil, which I'm not, which is exactly the sort of thing that makes me not trust your judgment the rest of the time when you go ranting and raving about how it's bots all the way down. You see bots everywhere and think everything that doesn't immediately conform to your personal beliefs about what can be done and how things work is further proof of botting. You're basically the FFXIV version of QAnon, and I don't take you people seriously. The last time I said something similar, people yelled at me for multiple pages and after that one person produced solid evidence of one single bot on one single server. Not exactly supporting the argument that bots control the market board.


Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
There are definitely third party tools getting used to facilitate market pricing, though not necessarily bots. Some price adjustments happen way too fast for a system that doesn't have a good scanning tool built in for player use and a clunky interface for making price adjustments.

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At least in WoW, everyone had the opportunity to download TSM or other add-ons with similar function so a player upset by the advantage an add-on might give could use it themselves. That's not an option here for PS4 players. It's probably why the other multi-platform MMOs keep their player bases and account licenses segregated by platform type. The third party tools that PC users can install won't impact the game experience of the console users who can't install them.
If you want me to believe that there are rampant problems with third party software that only indirectly affect the market board, I'm much more willing to listen. For instance, I know gathering bots are widespread and they have a very noticeable impact on the economy at the lower end, even if the bots purpose isn't really to interact with the market board itself. People keep trying to say it's all market board bots though or just generally refuse to distinguish between the claim "I don't see good evidence of market board bots" and the claim "I don't see good evidence of bots," which is just tedious.

I miss TSM. I didn't know it was possible to love an addon. I used to maintain an inventory of well over 1,000 listings, yet posting them took like a minute.