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    Alliance Raids Fix. Show your support.

    I already posted in the most recent thread about this. But I have a feeling Devs tend to overlook the many many complaint posts we have and I kept having good ideas on this so I'm proposing a simple yet elegant solution to the Alliance Raid issue (specifically getting ARR content continuously) in three parts.

    1) Make the Crystal Tower Raids into a separate roulette called MSQ Alliance Raids. These raids are basically canon now with the new expansion so lets give them the same insane chunk of exp that standard MSQ gets (keep the tome payout) and anyone who is leveling or wants the easier path can chose this option and not take the chance of higher raids away from others who want them.

    2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

    3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

    Please consider this option so I can stop having to choose between leveling or tomes. And maybe not ever see LotA again. Ever.
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    I support it but I was thinking of a roulette for every alliance raid.

    A level 50 alliance roulette, a level 60, 70, and then an 80 when we get more of the Nier series introduced. The higher the level raid, the more the reward.

    A Crystal Tower roulette, Void Ark roulette, Ivalice roulette, Nier roulette.

    Of course they would come with their own ilevel requirements.

    This can even be applied to the normal raid roulette as well since the rewards for that are pretty lacking currently.
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    Alliance raids take a while to do. I don't want to have to do multiple roulettes per day, especially when factoring in Main Scenario Roulette to the mix.

    As I've said in another thread, I think the best solution, in addition to setting minimum item level to queue for the roulette based on current level, is to limit entrance to the roulette (maybe all roulettes) to once a day regardless of circumstance.
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    The easiest way to get people to stop cheating the system and forcing level 50s would be to make the rewards dynamic. Why would I risk getting a 45 minute Orbone when I could to a 15 minute LotA instead? If they evened out the rewards, made things like Orbone and Dun Scaith give more exp/tomes, people would be much more likely to put up with the longer dungeons.
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    if you give people a choice they will always do the easiest one. thus invalidating the others if you can only do one of them. just put a min ilvl req to participate in the roulette so you can't cheese by taking off gear. Don't have every 24 man unlocked? then you don't get to do alliance roulette until you do.
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    They could do what they used to do with PvP and cycle through them. One week is lvl 50 alliance, the other lvl 60, and so on. If theres one in particular you want, you can wait for that week to be popping.
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    Who even runs them. I only raid most time 2 times a week for weekly drops and gear. Alliance raids roulette how it is now is just fine. Leave it alone and let them spend time fixing other stuff that needs it. Look what happened to frontlines when some thought 72 man only was good idea and got rid of 24 man. Because of it now when I would pvp queue times is now is 1 to 2 hours that really helped out a lot.
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    Last edited by hynaku; 12-14-2019 at 08:40 AM.

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    Honestly on top of more dynamic rewards for harder content I'd also be in favor of nullifying the stat creep that makes the Tower Climb so easy these days to begin with. The sole exceptions to this of the last expansion and current expansion raids to help incentivize people to queue for them. Make people actually have to do mechanics again. There would be less incentive to force the roulette to queue for Syrcus Tower or LotA if they could no longer be cheesed - though in the case of LotA there would need to be some changes to mechanics in order to account for the lack of six tanks that that raid was designed to have. But even then it hasn't been since the mid-patch of HW that I actually have had to pay attention to mechanics in either LotA or Syrcus. It's definitely been that long since you needed to interact with the towers for Behemoth or even touch the floating platforms in Glasya's arena - nevermind that Scylla's Daybreak barely even tickles now. It'd be nice to actually do mechanics again.
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    Maybe make the min iLevel something around 200~ so people can still be queued for 3.0 raids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyreil View Post
    I support it but I was thinking of a roulette for every alliance raid.

    A level 50 alliance roulette, a level 60, 70, and then an 80 when we get more of the Nier series introduced. The higher the level raid, the more the reward.

    A Crystal Tower roulette, Void Ark roulette, Ivalice roulette, Nier roulette.

    Of course they would come with their own ilevel requirements.

    This can even be applied to the normal raid roulette as well since the rewards for that are pretty lacking currently.
    They won't do that. Not after grouping 50/60/70 dungeons together. I was going for the easiest fix that addresses the three main concerns on Alliance Raid roulette which are: getting the CT raids all the time, naturally (RNG), getting certain lower level or easier raids due to players only unlocking certain ones, and players manipulating the roulette with ilvls.

    The ilvl sync (according to level) would actually help immensely as would mandatory unlock of the whatever your current tier is but having an extra raid roulette isn't extra time on plate but rather more options on what to do with that time. You want to level? Do MSQ Alliance. You just want tomes? Do either. You feel like doing something thats not ARR content again? Do Standard Alliance. I think the tome reward on Standard should be higher than MSQ but even if they leave them the same it'd be worth it to me.
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